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post #195

What does deboosted mean? Does twitter show you tweets from people you don't follow (and people you follow don't retweet)? Or does that mean you won't see the tweets from the people you follow?

Shadowbanned I'm guessing. Cant have Jordan Peterson anti-trans tweets reaching anyone but his followers.

You mean hide retweets? Because I thought you only saw people you follow in your feed.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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post #153

There's some interesting discussion in this thread about whether this is the right or wrong move for Twitter. However, after the debacle last night, I think it's a moot point, I simply don't see twitter.com still running within the next few months, possibly within the next few weeks. He's fired 50% of the company, reports seem that conservatively 50% of the remainder just quit yesterday, their subscription service ha…

> I simply don't see twitter.com still running within the next few months, possibly within the next few weeks

Aside from the staffing changes, what unique insight do you have, that Elon Musk does't have, that makes you so confident that the platform is doomed? And so quick at that.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. What the free speech side is arguing is that by trying to restrict "reach" you are trying to prevent interested consumers of that speech from ever hearing it. The prime example is when someone's tweets don't show up in the timelines of subscribers. People who specifically what to hear that speech never get a chance to.

Deplatforming is simply a form of limiting reach, a twitter ban isnt an internet ban

That's true, except the people pushing to "deplatform" someone are usually trying to get them banned everywhere.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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post #187
post #95

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> Tesla used to be a status symbol. Driving one meant you were forward thinking, that you were on the bleeding edge, and probably conscientious about the environment. I hate to break it to you, but generally only other Tesla owners feel that way. Otherwise, I doubt the public does. In fact, I personally feel the opposite, that's it's a symbol of a "techbro".

Could we avoid participating in this? The price hikes were pretty brutal, but tesla and their charging infrastructure are still at or near the top of the list when it comes to electric cars that you can actually purchase, at least from the perspective of someone looking to replace their ancient mazda in the next year or so. Also people don't deserve to be judged by their car unless it is a modern german luxury car in…

> Also people don't deserve to be judged by their car

In a way, that was my point, because I was responding to this: "Driving one meant you were forward thinking, that you were on the bleeding edge, and probably conscientious about the environment."

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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post #92

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Please stop spreading the falsehood that Eli Lilly lost billions because of a fake verified tweet. https://medium.com/@westwise/did-twitter-just-take-8-billion...

Is it false? At most I think we can say it's unclear, but Eli Lilly seem to take it seriously since they pulled all their ad spend from twitter in response. https://seekingalpha.com/news/3907399-fake-free-insulin-twee...

You are correct, I should have said it was unclear. I am aware of their pause in ad spend but I assumed it was to cover up for their judgement.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

There's also the possibility that once he got inside and saw some of the truly incredibly toxic shit that exists in the twitterspace he realized that he can't own the pipeline that spews that garbage all over the world completely unmolested.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Oh great, more unaccountable black-box "algorithms" that invisibly classify your tweets. Machines can't detect satire, they don't understand nuance or context, they don't understand tone. This will affect platform speech in strange ways as people naturally attempt to evade the algorithm. Twitter needs a dislike button. Every social media platform needs a mechanism for explicit negative feedback. Yes, people will use…

No, there should be no like nor dislike button. Just number of replies. 4chan does this and it works surprisingly well.

Er, Twitter is most definitely not trying to be like the notoriously-toxic 4chan.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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post #153

There's some interesting discussion in this thread about whether this is the right or wrong move for Twitter. However, after the debacle last night, I think it's a moot point, I simply don't see twitter.com still running within the next few months, possibly within the next few weeks. He's fired 50% of the company, reports seem that conservatively 50% of the remainder just quit yesterday, their subscription service ha…

> I simply don't see twitter.com still running within the next few months, possibly within the next few weeks Aside from the staffing changes, what unique insight do you have, that Elon Musk does't have, that makes you so confident that the platform is doomed? And so quick at that.

'Aside from the staffing changes' could be like asking why Germany lost WWII, 'aside from the Allied armies.' Any company is bound to struggle and forget how to run itself when the staffing cuts are that deep and unhappy.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

I like the idea of having personal filters on the receiving end, sort of like how I can decide to search Google using "Safe search: Moderate" or no safe search filtering. And I guess it makes sense to de-promote poisonous speech, since our primal brains have a tendency to naturally amplify and accord outsized importance to hate, outrage and other strong negative emotions, although those are mostly hugely detrimental…

The question with "personal filters" is always "who makes the filters?". Because most users are not going to spend their time meticulously tuning their filter configurations. They'll take whatever defaults and go about their day. Or maybe use some popular community-developed filter configs.

You might argue that the optionality of personal filter tweaking makes all the difference. But in terms of practical impact, it's meaningless. Not enough people are going to take that option to make a difference.

The point is, there will always be a gatekeeper.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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post #200

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Yeah, it's very reasonable but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Elon openly attacked twitter for its moderation policies and made a public spectacle about big tech censorship and styled himself as "free speech absolutist" in his own words. Now that Elon's own money is on the line he's completely done a 180 and is using the exact same reasoning to defend his moderation policies as did his detract…

> but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Wasn't the status quo to ban accounts completely, due to individual tweets, rather than hide individual tweets? This seems much much more permissive.

Twitter has historically utilized a wide range of moderation strategies including deranking, post removals, fact checking blurbs, temporary bans, permanent bans and more.
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