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Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by unity1001 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:08 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #120

darkteflon wrote: post #90

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We can - and should - have robust privacy laws at home. We should also not roll over for our adversaries. China under Xi Jinping is, without a doubt, adversarial, and the risks are existential.

You need to specify who "our" is there. USA's upper echelons, presumably? The risks are existential to ...? Again presumably you mean those who thrive under USA-centric capitalism? You think the CCP are planning a forced takeover of Western democracy?

> You need to specify who "our" is there. USA's upper echelons, presumably?

For some reason, the random schmuck on the street in the US or the random Little Englander in East End in the UK, think that they have something in common with their elite. As if the former has a few billion in stocks and the latter has graduated from a posh public school...

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by unity1001 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:09 PM UTC

computerfriend wrote: post #253

xwolfi wrote: post #250

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But are you sure you're not being manipulated a bit ? China and many dictatorships, already have enough problems ruling their own shit, you think they want to like ... take over americans ? What does that even mean, how can they even do that when they cant even take Taiwan ? The "Republic of China" Taiwan... All they seem to want is make sure you dont talk to their own sheeps while you focus on yours lol

I am extremely sure, thank you.

Yeah, you people were extremely sure in 2003 too. There were WMDs and all that.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by unity1001 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:10 PM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #349

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #320

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The loose use of the word "genocide" in recent years is extremely concerning. Nothing that is going on in China can be called a "genocide." No one (that I am aware of) is even alleging that China is carrying out any mass killings of any group. The use of the term "genocide" in relation to the Uyghurs is transparently propaganda, which began with Mike Pompeo during the Trump administration. Even the US State Departmen…

They are locking a distinct ethnic minority in internment camps and sterilizing their women. That is a genocide. They are attempting to remove the Uyghur people.

Every single Muslim majority country sent ministers and parliamentarians there, invesigated for months, and have not found any such thing. And yet, the exact same set of countries who lied to entire world about nonexistent Iraqi WMDs are claiming it to be true.

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100 year old atrocity propaganda. Nothing more different than how the British smeared the Germans by saying that they raped babies in Belgium.

Get out.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by unity1001 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:11 PM UTC

hoolabooladoola wrote: post #270

krolden wrote: post #236

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You mean like the native Americans? Pretty sure that's still the largest scale, most drawn out genocide in the entire history of our species.

Lakota checking in to tell you that a basic reading of history would confirm that you’re pretty wrong. Please don’t what-about the Uyghurs to Native American history because it’s disrespectful both ways, and minimizes their suffering. For all the conflict with Europeans, our historical experiences with them, painful as they may have been and remain, were much more nuanced and complicated than what is happening in Chi…

> Lakota

Lakota who?

A few thousand or ten thousand 'native americans' who are considered native american if they have 1/30 native american blood?

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sheeeshhh...

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by unity1001 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:12 PM UTC

samatman wrote: post #192

thesuitonym wrote: post #158

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So your response to the Great Firewall being bad is to... implement one of our own?

I see a sharp difference between preventing Chinese IP addresses from accessing whatever they would like, and allowing Chinese corporations to profit from the West's liberty while denying it to their subjects. So, no, that is not my response at all. There is no technology involved in kicking these corporations out of the civilized world, just political will.

> out of the civilized world

Which civilized world.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by unity1001 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:16 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #96

samatman wrote: post #67

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We should have rules that include forbidding any Chinese company from selling SaaS or social media until CCP takes the Great Firewall down. They've made a pariah internet and they should stay there. Suit you? Suits me.

What about Russian social media (I think vk got sanctioned but not livejournal)? What about, given the other thread, Qatar? Should Orkut (Brazilian) have been allowed? My point is that the rules should target what it does rather than simply "China=Bad", since that offers a way back into compliance with the rules. However unlikely that actually is.

> What about

What about that is that the US congress allocated $500 m for anti-China propaganda in its last budget and all the free, knowledgeable Americans who are littering this thread with their McCarthyist Cold War comments are just taken in with the 'latest thing' from their government propaganda.

Nothing more different than how Saddam was the 'greatest threat to civilization' in 2003, or Gaddafi was in 2011 etc etc.

And the 'civilization' they are stanning for is the one that kills its people if they cant pay for healthcare. Without even touching how poor are starting to choose euthanasia in Canada instead of being homeless.

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I see this as a way in which Angloamerican denizens direct their frustrations to external 'enemies' by taking their attention away from the problems at home, which they are powerless to fix. They vilify and demean chosen 'enemies', and direct all the criticism that should happen at home towards those enemies. This avoids both alienation from their own society and the pressure to address the problems at home.

Long story short, they just avoid cognitive dissonance.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by unity1001 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:17 PM UTC

Xeoncross wrote: post #136

pjc50 wrote: post #56

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sigh can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? If Tiktok the app is performing surveillance, ban surveillance by apps . All of them. Or make it technically impossible to escape its little sandbox, and let people have their entertainment.

Global rules for user privacy would be fantastic! But lets start by simply banning the most criminal organizations first. If the KGB, CCP, or any other group known for imprisoning and killing literally millions of people is running a social network we need to block it right away. Bytedance has forced CCP members on their board and you can bet the government uses the user data, behavior data and biometrics to help squ…

> or any other group known for imprisoning and killing literally millions of people

Neither KGB or CCP are 'known' for anything like that in 80% of the world. They aren't even 'known' for such things in majority of Europe. They are 'known' for that only in Angloamerica and sufficiently propagandized segments in its satellites.

There isnt ONE single country which the Angloamerican establishment did not smear in the past 60 years. That's why 80% of the world literally stopped heeding anything it says.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by texaslonghorn5 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:18 PM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #350

krolden wrote: post #236

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You mean like the native Americans? Pretty sure that's still the largest scale, most drawn out genocide in the entire history of our species.

If you know of any Native Americans currently being genocided, please do call someone about it. Unless you are suggesting that because of some previous genocide we should ignore an ongoing one?

modern day native american healthcare inequities are the end of a long running genocidal effort

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by zkid18 » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:26 PM UTC

darkteflon wrote: post #12

Utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue to operate in the current geopolitical climate. China is a surveillance autocracy and has been engaged in adversarial conduct against the West for years - including extensive psyops. Shut it down, yesterday. Build a local clone so that people can get their fix or whatever. China sure as shit doesn’t allow its citizens to cough up their personal information for algorithmi…

It’s bizarre to see such comments on HN. Short-term it get that gains on the geopolitical storm, long-term I feel that will e very bad for the developers community.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by krapp » Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 11:26 PM UTC

texaslonghorn5 wrote: post #375

hoolabooladoola wrote: post #270

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Lakota checking in to tell you that a basic reading of history would confirm that you’re pretty wrong. Please don’t what-about the Uyghurs to Native American history because it’s disrespectful both ways, and minimizes their suffering. For all the conflict with Europeans, our historical experiences with them, painful as they may have been and remain, were much more nuanced and complicated than what is happening in Chi…

despite not wanting to discount your lived experience, I am more inclined to believe settler colonialist theory (drawing on work from trained scholars, both indigenous and not) which suggest that European settlement did lead to what was in fact genocide.

I think once manifest destiny and the American Indian wars started, a case could be made. Indian removal[0] at the very least seems like ethnic cleansing, and there are plenty of accounts of wholesale massacres of natives by European settlers and soldiers.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal