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Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by PKop »

dredmorbius wrote: post #381
PKop wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk himself has said multiple times Twitter might go bankrupt. They were already losing money and it wasn't really a sustainable business when he bought it given economic trends; something had to change. The particular melodrama aimed at Musk right now is just cope amongst the milieu he is purging from Twitter and/or hurt feelings and ressentiment of the media class over Musks stance on free speech. They want him to…

This both entirely misses the point of my own comment and negates your own previous statement. Contrast "it wasn't really a sustainable business" with "Don't really see this 'spectacular collapse'". Your comments lack both coherence and consistency.

Twitter is not in chaos or collapsing because of Musk's actions, which is the message of the main post.

A certain cohort of the tech and media industry is in chaos because they fear Musk will get away with it.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by KVFinn »

te_2343343 wrote: post #325
starik36 wrote: post #249

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I wish I could upvote you twice. Totally incompetent fraud. I mean SpaceX was a total stroke of luck. Sometimes you just get the right mixture of methane and oxygen by accident and the rocket just blasts off by itself. And we definitely wouldn't have to go grovel to the Russians had SpaceX not been the only company in US capable of delivering astronauts to ISS. Same with Tesla and his other previous companies - just…

From my perspective, something seemed to happen with Musk roughly around 2015 or so. It seems like prior to that time, Musk was really indeed investing in some visionary tech that actually injected a kick in the pants to some industries (electric cars, space). Nothing wrong IMHO with Tesla and SpaceX. I think the super-detractors miss just what an out-of-nowhere big deal the Roadster was. Since then, though, Musk has…

>From my perspective, something seemed to happen with Musk roughly around 2015 or so.

Maybe he's always been this way but his profile was lower? The first thing that sticks out to me is the the submarine pedo-guy incident of 2018. Somehow he went from an eccentric inventor who I honestly believe was genuinely making a real effort on a longshot solution to "How dare you joke about my submarine!" a few days later. So weird.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by npn »

pavlov wrote: post #82
KVFinn wrote: post #62

Did Musk describe 'Breakthrough Twitter 2.0' in a separate message that hasn't been made public? "Stay at Twitter because we're moving to 80 hour work weeks and cancelling Christmas" can't be the argument by itself, right? It's got to be something like "Stay at Twitter because we're building exciting new project X, but we'll need 80 hour work weeks to pull this off..."

No such vision exists. “Twitter 2.0” is still vaguely about free speech, somehow making lots of money from verified users, and also WeChat-of-the-West style payments (as if anyone would trust their money to this company).

I for sure do not trust a company that have security breaches happen every now and then.

Not sure that even Mr. Musk can fix that.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by anigbrowl »

kravens_last wrote: post #339
anigbrowl wrote: post #298

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See also: Compuserve, AOL, Facebook WeChat succeeds because it caters to a less mature market with a simple integrated product. American network service users have demonstrated repeatedly that they are OK with bundling products but less enthusiastic about bundled services.

WeChat succeeds because it's a state sponsored monopoly. It would not have existed in a free and mature market in any western capitalist style economy.

I just gave 3 examples of products that succeeded brilliantly in a less mature market in western capitalist economies. WeChat might be an anachronism in 15 years just as AOL is today, although it continues to exist as a brand.

Incidentally I just glanced at the AOL website to remind myself how it's doing, and their ad banner offers a service to reduce the amount of paper junk mail you receive by signing up for AOL's managed unsubscription service. Less Information Age and more Irony Age.

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Post by deely3 »

phailhaus wrote: post #149
Moctogo wrote: post #72

Wild prediction: Twitter will continue to work as it did even after that ~80% workforce haircut. Make of that what you will.

This is equivalent to saying "I've decided not to go to the mechanic anymore. And look, five days later, my car is totally fine!"

Not a good analogy. You can't easy rebuild or upgrade car. In software you rebuild and upgrade every day without stopping.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by phailhaus »

deely3 wrote: post #395
phailhaus wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is equivalent to saying "I've decided not to go to the mechanic anymore. And look, five days later, my car is totally fine!"

Not a good analogy. You can't easy rebuild or upgrade car. In software you rebuild and upgrade every day without stopping.

Yeah, a better analogy would be stepping out of the driver seat while you're on the highway. Sure it'll coast for a while, but on the first turn...

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by thro1 »

recuter wrote: post #86
giaour wrote: post #13

At this point, I'm kinda wondering if Musk's deal to finance the Twitter acquisition included some Brewster's Millions -style clause where he gets to keep the company and the $44B if the company goes bankrupt within 90 days.

Next up, Twitter: The Musical on broadway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZahYy6c5_E

To work off: We Will Find It https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SssjOT7E_Jg

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Post by TeeMassive »

m_ke wrote: post #135
rem7 wrote: post #109

In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

Engineers interested in cars or rockets have way fewer exciting options than web devs working at Twitter.

Those options are culling their workforce right now.

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Post by memish »

Apocryphon wrote: post #368
memish wrote: post #259

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It's says something when the greatest living hacker, George Hotz, now wants to work at Twitter. But so many of the readers of "hacker news" can't even imagine why.

John Carmack is still probably the greatest living hacker.

I stand corrected.

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Post by indrora »

impalallama wrote: post #241
rem7 wrote: post #109

In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

The people who worked on SpaceX and Tesla were probably incredibly ideologically aligned with Elon genuinely believing they were changing the world for the better. Its really easy to pitch someone to work long hours when you are making one of the worlds first mass market electric car and honest to god rocket ships. Meanwhile we are a years into total disenfranchisement with entire concept of social media. The sell ju…

I have several ex-SpaceX coworkers. All have said, basically, "I want off this rock, Elon has the money to make it affordable, but the biggest threat to that happening is Elon and his ideology. If he doesn't become the first murder in space, I'd be surprised".
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