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By that definition a recurring dream would be reality - consistence it has, no hallucinogens involved.
Well, no, as you fail the other condition - nobody else observing it.
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"I' not a psychiatric patient, and neither are my kids, so I don't see what drugs could do for me." Check out "Jack Herer's First Time High"[1]. (If you're curious, there are more details in the first 12 minutes of this bio on him:[2]) Also see what MDMA did for a man with Aspergers: [3] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwedCQtW7s [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDRP7rv8ZXc [3] - https://www.youtube.com/w…
Jack Herer doesn't really seem like the man I aspire to be. Sorry to disappoint, but I also don't have Aspergers.
And the person with Aspergers is again just simply describing experiences which are open to anyone... you don't have to have Apergers to benefit from such experiences, though of course they're not guaranteed to anyone.. nothing in life is, and different people experience these substances differently. Still, I found it interesting. Sorry you did not.
The whole of how we experience reality is made up by our mind. Decisions and actions are sort of precognitions - rather than being reactions to stimuli, they’re actions with expected results, adjusted very fast after we get feedback. Probably sharing some wiring, most of us agree on the same stuff. But there are outliers. If the mind can create reality and all the worlds we can imagine awake, then certainly in an alt…
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>This assumes that the sober state of mind takes precedence over the altered state of mind. But there's no evidence that the one is superior to the other. First, define "superior". Second, if you have 20 sober people looking at thing and reporting it looks the same, then you drug them and every one of them reports someone else, I'm giving that to the "sober mind", even when some tiny minority might be reporting in "s…
This assumes we all share the same reality, and further assumes that the criteria sober people use to judge reality must be the right one. Ask people in a different state of mind and they can give you plenty of other criteria... such as that what they are experiencing is to them "more real than real", or that they're able to commune with their god in that state while they're unable to in a sober state, or that they'r…
Because hallucinating people usually aren't in consensus about what is real, while sober people are. Consensus is the only criteria for reality we have, don't we?
Not saying that consensus makes it a reality, but it's the best indicator of whatever we're calling reality.
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“Drugs are bad, mmkay” is something we teach kids at an age when they are unable to process more complex or nuanced positions. It’s highly unlikely that you’ve never taken psychoactive substances—caffeine, for example, is found naturally in enough foods that it’s hard to avoid. Many spices produce psychoactive effects—e.g. vanilla, pepper, cinnamon, ginger, saffron, etc. I suspect it’s not your opinion that these are…
> caffeine, for example... vanilla, pepper, cinnamon, ginger, saffron That's great news for you, because now you don't have to take any of the other drugs if you think these things are the same :P. > if “drugs are bad” is what you’re teaching them No, I just show them the people who smoke, and ask them if they want to be like them.
What happens when they see all the rich and famous people on TV who also smoke and sing/rap about smoking? What makes you so sure they won't want to be like them?
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> caffeine, for example... vanilla, pepper, cinnamon, ginger, saffron That's great news for you, because now you don't have to take any of the other drugs if you think these things are the same :P. > if “drugs are bad” is what you’re teaching them No, I just show them the people who smoke, and ask them if they want to be like them.
> No, I just show them the people who smoke, and ask them if they want to be like them. What happens when they see all the rich and famous people on TV who also smoke and sing/rap about smoking? What makes you so sure they won't want to be like them ?
Smoking is mainly about trying to look cool, which in the end makes you look stupid. And once you see that, you cannot unsee it. My kids already see it.
And looking at the people that smoke, just confirms the theory.
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They exist. Shamans work with different spirits and even have names for ones they work with. I was skeptical in the beginning but it's a different reality. Just because we can't normally see them doesn't mean they don't exist. I don't see spirits most times I drink, but I once had a gecko-like plant spirit climbing all over me... I often see beautiful patterns and landscapes. It's an amazing medicine. It cured my dep…
You seeing something when on strong drugs that you can't see when not is not strong evidence for its existence.
One time, a girl I know came crying because she had been chased by duendes. The men went out in the forest to blow tobacco smoke to keep them away.
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> No, I just show them the people who smoke, and ask them if they want to be like them. What happens when they see all the rich and famous people on TV who also smoke and sing/rap about smoking? What makes you so sure they won't want to be like them ?
I show them the people that smoke because they want to look like those people on TV. Smoking is mainly about trying to look cool, which in the end makes you look stupid. And once you see that, you cannot unsee it. My kids already see it. And looking at the people that smoke, just confirms the theory.
I thought you were talking about weed. Smoking cigarettes is a whole other story.
Regardless, the "people smoke to look cool" perspective is very limited. There are multitude of reasons why people do anything, including smoke, and simplifying them to a single reason that's the easiest to attack might work on small children, but will wear out as they get older.
But I'm not here to give you parenting advice. You seem to be very strong in your beliefs, while having a condescending attitude towards the people who use drugs. I don't appreciate the condescending attitude, but I doubt I can do anything about that just by writing words on the internet.
So farewell, enjoy your sobriety.
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This assumes we all share the same reality, and further assumes that the criteria sober people use to judge reality must be the right one. Ask people in a different state of mind and they can give you plenty of other criteria... such as that what they are experiencing is to them "more real than real", or that they're able to commune with their god in that state while they're unable to in a sober state, or that they'r…
> Why should some sober people's consensus trump the criteria of people in altered states of consciousness? Because hallucinating people usually aren't in consensus about what is real, while sober people are. Consensus is the only criteria for reality we have, don't we? Not saying that consensus makes it a reality, but it's the best indicator of whatever we're calling reality.
Why would they be hallucinating? Most people don't drink ayahuasca.