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How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by xs83 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #89

As someone who has thrown up a lot over the years and has a love-hate relationship with vomiting -- because sometimes it alleviates some of my symptoms -- I would be interested in hearing more about the experience of vomiting in reaction to taking this and why people apparently seek out the experience of vomiting.

I vomited so hard that I gave myself 2 black eyes and burst a blood vessel in my eye so it went completely red. I literally thought I was going to spew up a kidney.

Its called La Purga for a reason though, prior to vomiting, because you are starting to trip, you get into a negative thought spiral, this builds and builds and you feel vile.

Then all of a sudden - blam. Kidney coming through your nose level spew.... along with all of the negative thoughts.

Despite feeling like my eyes had popped out - I started doing cartwheels - I felt so light.

Worth experiencing once - better ways to do it than Ayahuasca though after that IMO

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Post by npteljes »

DenisM wrote: post #86
Trasmatta wrote: post #16

Bad trips are a real risk with all psychedelics. I don't like the attitude in psychedelic communities that there's "no such thing as a bad trip, only a challenging one". I had a couple bad trips. It felt like living in hell for a literal eternity. It's almost impossible to describe the agony that the human mind is capable of experiencing. It's absurd how much suffering the human mind can experience. The main message…

You had a couple of bad trips? They way you describe them it was awfully bad, and yet you did it more than once?

Maybe he had like 230 trips, and of them, a couple was bad.

Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by headsoup »

12907835202 wrote: post #34
headsoup wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there are many people who will say you're not drinking properly if you haven't passed out, lost memory, spewed, done something stupid, etc. The argument above is exactly the same with the same qualifier that of course not everyone (or even many) hold that attitude.

When people say that it's meant in jest more than when psychonaughts tell you, you haven't taken enough because you haven't fully broken down your psyche. It's not really comparable.

It sounds like you haven't been around those kinds of drinkers then. The kind that will just spike a beer with vodka shots or do sneaky refills to make sure their friend 'experiences' the desired outcome. Very jesty.

Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by nso »

quechimba wrote: post #93
vga805 wrote: post #70

Ayahuasca ceremonies are among the most profound, cherished experiences of my life. I prepare for months before partaking in them to make sure my emotional, physical, and spiritual health is in a good place. And I can't imagine taking this drug without being under the care of experienced guides. I also wouldn't recommend it for anyone except those who really desire to push the limits of their mind. Some trips have fe…

They exist. Shamans work with different spirits and even have names for ones they work with. I was skeptical in the beginning but it's a different reality. Just because we can't normally see them doesn't mean they don't exist. I don't see spirits most times I drink, but I once had a gecko-like plant spirit climbing all over me... I often see beautiful patterns and landscapes. It's an amazing medicine. It cured my dep…

You seeing something when on strong drugs that you can't see when not is not strong evidence for its existence.

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Post by bobmaxup »

bheadmaster wrote: post #100
vga805 wrote: post #70

Ayahuasca ceremonies are among the most profound, cherished experiences of my life. I prepare for months before partaking in them to make sure my emotional, physical, and spiritual health is in a good place. And I can't imagine taking this drug without being under the care of experienced guides. I also wouldn't recommend it for anyone except those who really desire to push the limits of their mind. Some trips have fe…

It doesn't seem far fetched to me that your own mind could've manufactured such a reaction - especially if the shamans all tried to convince you that the spirits are real, and you felt "guilty" that you didn't believe them. Your mind could simulate the reaction you'd have feared you'd get if you shared your thoughts with the shamans, perhaps? I am personally very skeptical of the "realness" of anything that happens d…

Guilt is definitely a central theme of DMT trips for many people.

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Post by devwastaken »

vga805 wrote: post #70

Ayahuasca ceremonies are among the most profound, cherished experiences of my life. I prepare for months before partaking in them to make sure my emotional, physical, and spiritual health is in a good place. And I can't imagine taking this drug without being under the care of experienced guides. I also wouldn't recommend it for anyone except those who really desire to push the limits of their mind. Some trips have fe…

The mind is the source of all senses. Is an Ayahuasca trip hallucination any different in reality than say schizophrenia hallucinations?

If there truly are beings of other advanced "planes", and they are communicating, why are they only doing it in vague ways that mimic dreams? And why is that information never something novel? If they're beings more advanced than us then we should be able to ask and get answers.

Same problem with ghosts. If there is evidence for their existence, then we can collect that. But every time the evidence is never there when it's no longer he said/she said. Even if ghosts were real and sentient they have to mess up eventually.

Sounds a lot like a limited intelligence human mind undergoing a bombardment of chemicals that change how the senses input/output information.

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Post by froh »

stevev wrote: post #78
vga805 wrote: post #70

Ayahuasca ceremonies are among the most profound, cherished experiences of my life. I prepare for months before partaking in them to make sure my emotional, physical, and spiritual health is in a good place. And I can't imagine taking this drug without being under the care of experienced guides. I also wouldn't recommend it for anyone except those who really desire to push the limits of their mind. Some trips have fe…

I’ve had dreams where I carry on actual conversations with people in my own life and or strangers. Realizing that I’m dreaming, I ask questions and to my surprise their answers and reactions are not of my doing. I ask in the manner of only listening immediately (clear minded with no thinking) so as to not influence their response. The brain is truly mysterious. I wonder if hidden personas are created and stored and r…

"internal family systems" gives a useful framework for this ability of the brain to take on multiple more or less independent perspectives, almost personalities. our brain can hide different memories in them and getting free access and interaction and integration of them is seen as part of personal development by the IFS approach to the phenomenon. They leverage it without psychedelics, btw.

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Post by sanjayio »

vga805 wrote: post #70

Ayahuasca ceremonies are among the most profound, cherished experiences of my life. I prepare for months before partaking in them to make sure my emotional, physical, and spiritual health is in a good place. And I can't imagine taking this drug without being under the care of experienced guides. I also wouldn't recommend it for anyone except those who really desire to push the limits of their mind. Some trips have fe…

Genuinely curious how the ceremonies have materially changed your life.

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Post by ohgodplsno »

vga805 wrote: post #70

Ayahuasca ceremonies are among the most profound, cherished experiences of my life. I prepare for months before partaking in them to make sure my emotional, physical, and spiritual health is in a good place. And I can't imagine taking this drug without being under the care of experienced guides. I also wouldn't recommend it for anyone except those who really desire to push the limits of their mind. Some trips have fe…

> I prepare for months before partaking in them

And here is why it is one of the most profound things in your life. Not saying that ayahuesca and other psychedelics do not provide you with a different outlook on life, but by sacralizing this ritual, making your life focused on it and therefore massively overemphasising its importance.

You could have the exact same feelings with LSD if you hyped yourself up for months and the whole thing was a ritual with scientists disguised as aliens from outer space.

Re: How safe is ayahuasca? Large-scale study explores

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Post by RugnirViking »

psychstudio wrote: post #53
no_butterscotch wrote: post #43

Is it similar to "shrooms"? I was considered traveling from San Francisco to Oregon or Colorado (?) where I think psychedelic mushrooms were legalized and you don't need to "know people" to get them. I've wanted to try psychedelics for a while, I haven't done them before. Unless Salvia counts.

There are bound to be wild psychoactive mushrooms near you. Do some research and then do some bushwalking (or hiking if you prefer). Mushroom hunting is cathartic. https://www.shroomery.org/8461/Which-psilocybin-mushrooms-gr...

never taken mushrooms but been mushroom foraging for food purposes and well, it has to be said: be very, very careful with this stuff. Pick the wrong mushroom and it can and will kill you, and it may be very, very difficult to distinguish the right one and the wrong one. Do things like spore prints, and read books carefully with every specimen.

Don't want folks getting hurt

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