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Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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I've always wanted to work for Musk, but never felt like I was skilled enough to work on spaceships or cars... But Twitter? I am thinking about applying, so go ahead and quit.

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Honestly can't tell if this is in parody or not lol

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Many tech companies are over-staffed: R+D pet projects, full time OSS devs, dev rel, etc. Some companies probably have staff who literally do one task like managing webpack config. I disagree with Musk about A LOT, but most companies have opportunities to trim fat before they even touch the core product.

As long as you're willing to accept a company that is not growing in revenue due to new value created, you can build a system entirely dedicated to maintenance of existing features with a small group. In Twitter's case, however, how long is it until they're sued for child porn (lack of moderation) or get 50 million euro fines for running afoul of Germany's Network Enforcement Act?

Imagine going to jail because someone uploaded a file to your computer

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

Engineers interested in cars or rockets have way fewer exciting options than web devs working at Twitter.

Very much this.

Anecdote time: I have an acquaintance who’s an engineer who works on nuclear power plant technology. They’ve wanted out of their current employer for over a decade now.

Why have they stuck around? Because their current employer is the only one in a several thousand kilometer radius with any use for their expertise, one of only a couple they could work for without leaving the country, and one of only a handful whose primary language of business is one that they speak.

Tesla, SpaceX, and perhaps even the Boring Company have much more in common with that situation than they do with Twitter.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Website and app working fine for me. Don't really see this "spectacular collapse" everyone seems to wish would happen

Have to agree. I’m bewildered by the (social) media reaction so far. People, the app still works. Over a thousand employees will continue to work for Twitter. As far as I understand, Twitter is financially in a terrible state. Huge changes have to happen. Let’s all just wait and see how it will turn out.

Sure, but the "collapse" is terrible management here lol. Terrible, by the metric of his own inconsistent actions. To suddenly reverse the decision of accidentally laying off 80% of your workforce is hilarious.

People aren't saying the app isn't working. If you lay off all of HR will your company still run tomorrow? Of course. Lay off all of engineering will the app still run tomorrow? Of course (most likely lol).

The collapse is the implied result of all these terrible decisions. Terrible decisions which imply terrible leadership. And companies can only survive terrible leadership for so long.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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> Twitter reportedly no longer has a communications department to relay information to the media. Doesn’t look good.

Why is that not good? Twitter can communicate to people directly without the media middleman.

Lol, who is doing the communicating?

I haven't met a single defender of Musk that has the slightest inkling of business or tech, and this is a great example.

You want to have random engineers talking to the press through their Twitter accounts? Sounds great! Especially if there's no way to tell who actually even works at Twitter because verification is now purchased for a tiny amount of money, rather than reflecting any sort of trust based verification.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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80hr+ in-office work weeks with no equity and the threat of being instantly fired for appearing disloyal in Slack or correcting the CEO... sounds fun!

If you want money, work life balance, comfortable pace it’s not the place. If you want to change the world, are ready to push yourself, work with the most dedicated people, it is. It’s a place for very few. I would really like to work in one of his company, but I don’t think I have the stamina for it.

"Change the world by adding PayPal to Twitter."

Nah.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Wild prediction: Twitter will continue to work as it did even after that ~80% workforce haircut. Make of that what you will.

You're assuming that someone leaving immediately causes things to break down. A lot of things will take some time to see the effects of people leaving. Fire your entire payroll department. No one will notice... until the biweekly paychecks don't go out, and now your employees aren't getting paid. Fire badge security. No one will notice... until you need someone to make a new badge for a new employee. Fire your IT sta…

And knowledge drain? I mean the codebase must be substantial?

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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At this point, I'm kinda wondering if Musk's deal to finance the Twitter acquisition included some Brewster's Millions -style clause where he gets to keep the company and the $44B if the company goes bankrupt within 90 days.

I had a similar thought - perhaps Elon was visited by a time traveler from the future who convinced him that the only way to stave off some impending disaster is for someone to drive Twitter into bankruptcy as quickly as possible, and he heroically offered to ruin his fortune and reputation to save humanity. That's a stupid idea, but it would elegantly explain his recent behavior...

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Wild prediction: Twitter will continue to work as it did even after that ~80% workforce haircut. Make of that what you will.

Every well built tech product will continue to “work” indefinitely with a small maintenance crew if no one touches or changes anything. Not changing anything, however, is not exactly what Elon has planned for Twitter. The company will only start to get tested when the current code and deploy freezes are lifted and new features start to ship.

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Wild prediction: Twitter will continue to work as it did even after that ~80% workforce haircut. Make of that what you will.

You're assuming that someone leaving immediately causes things to break down. A lot of things will take some time to see the effects of people leaving. Fire your entire payroll department. No one will notice... until the biweekly paychecks don't go out, and now your employees aren't getting paid. Fire badge security. No one will notice... until you need someone to make a new badge for a new employee. Fire your IT sta…

This is essentially what happens to a startup that scales rapidly. It goes from fire to fire as it grows, scrambling to deal with each new issue that arises and hiring new people as needed. It's not pretty, but is generally accepted as far more effective than attempting to hire and build way ahead of your immediate needs (the YAGNI principle).

Musk's approach is drastic and will probably include a lot of turbulence as you say, but it's probably also the fastest way to find the minimum number of employees required to run Twitter.

You couldn't use this strategy with any kind of critical service, but ultimately nobody is really hurt that much if things break at Twitter, so there is more latitude to take risks.

I'm not saying I like or agree with Musk's approach, but I see the logic.

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