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The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by encryptluks2 »

sgu999 wrote: post #130
encryptluks2 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a lot of US psyops and I'm an American. That is even more disturbing IMO. I'd expect it from a foreign nation but not my own country. Also, why can't we just make education about foreign influence part of our curriculum and national discussion. Why do we have to ban things like speech to protect people? That is borderline just becoming China-like in itself.

Critical thinking would be a good start... but TikTok also targets a very young and immature audience that is already protected from many other things by rules.

In public elementary school here in the US they literally taught me indoctrination everyday by doing cult like rituals and allegiance to a cloth and history that whitewashed the crimes. How are young people in America supposed to be taught to think freely when they are shunned for thinking outside of the American way?

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by CyanBird »

solardev wrote: post #139
jasonlotito wrote: post #135

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> China isn't going to listen to your rules And then they are banned. Not because they are China or TikTok, but because they break specific rules we hold everyone to.

You won't be able to tell when they're not following the rules.

Just stop moving the goalposts while discussing and people might take you more seriously

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Post by mhb »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #100
pjc50 wrote: post #56

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sigh can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? If Tiktok the app is performing surveillance, ban surveillance by apps . All of them. Or make it technically impossible to escape its little sandbox, and let people have their entertainment.

> can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? Let's have reciprocal rules. If country X bans US social media then why shouldn't the US do the same?

Because, ceteris paribus, unilateral free trade benefits an entity regardless of whether its counterparty taxes or restricts its trade.

Because comparative advantage.

Because you don't jump off a bridge because Johnny jumped off a bridge.

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Post by CyanBird »

Xeoncross wrote: post #136
pjc50 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sigh can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? If Tiktok the app is performing surveillance, ban surveillance by apps . All of them. Or make it technically impossible to escape its little sandbox, and let people have their entertainment.

Global rules for user privacy would be fantastic! But lets start by simply banning the most criminal organizations first. If the KGB, CCP, or any other group known for imprisoning and killing literally millions of people is running a social network we need to block it right away. Bytedance has forced CCP members on their board and you can bet the government uses the user data, behavior data and biometrics to help squ…

> But lets start by simply banning the most criminal organizations first

NSA and cghq have tapped onto the global fiber optic systems on a global scale and see spying on every single person on the planet with dragnet systems alongside as you say biometrics, and that includes US citizen data.

Where does that fall into?

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by sgu999 »

CyanBird wrote: post #108
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #74

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Surveillance isn't the primary issue. INFLUENCE OPERATIONS is. China's ability to direct content to achieve their strategic goals, and to do so at a very granular level, is too great a risk. Its not the only property with this capability (cough, 4chan/pol/, cough), but its by far the largest.

> China's Tiktok is not China, Tiktok is owned by a private company All the arguments that you are using can be successful leveraged against any Inqtel funded private company (of which there are plenty), so I'd recommend you to speak in a measured way

In China, private companies large enough cannot operate without a fair amount of control and involvement of some layer of the CCP. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business...

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by RadixDLT »

Kukumber wrote: post #37

"When we look at all of these wide-ranging apps that are connected to Chinese firms, it's actually almost nonsensical to ban just one when we see platforms in areas like precision agriculture, communications, gaming, all connected to Chinese firms," she says. "So what's really important is to develop more robust data privacy regulations in the United States to protect users. TLDR: It has nothing to do with "national…

this is laughable, it's more about data collection

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by clashmoore »

darkteflon wrote: post #12

Utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue to operate in the current geopolitical climate. China is a surveillance autocracy and has been engaged in adversarial conduct against the West for years - including extensive psyops. Shut it down, yesterday. Build a local clone so that people can get their fix or whatever. China sure as shit doesn’t allow its citizens to cough up their personal information for algorithmi…

So I'm an American who uses TikTok for entertainment.

I don't think it's utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue. Even hearing these threats that China is possibly surveilling me - what do they get that other social media apps like Instagram get from me? From the FBI it sounds like the national security threat is that China may use it alter my feed to influence me or take over the control of my Apple phone? Has Apple warned users that TikTok will take control of their phone?

As far as I'm concerned, I'm just watching short 60 second videos and could not care less if China has my birthdate.

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