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The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

mc32 wrote: post #80
pjc50 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would the FCC allow a VoRussia or VoChina radio transmitter in the US whose sole purpose was to push Chinese or Russian propaganda? I'm sure they already do? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_America was operating right up until the imposition of sanctions.

Yeah, but that was more akin to the BBC or even Xinhua. I mean a specifically propagandist station like the VoA or RFE. But that said, looks like all the Biden admin needs to do is set up some sanctions (for whatever reason) and put TT under that umbrella and voila!

I see news articles about US mass shootings on VoA- how is that US propaganda?

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by Yawnzy »

weego wrote: post #22
darkteflon wrote: post #12

Utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue to operate in the current geopolitical climate. China is a surveillance autocracy and has been engaged in adversarial conduct against the West for years - including extensive psyops. Shut it down, yesterday. Build a local clone so that people can get their fix or whatever. China sure as shit doesn’t allow its citizens to cough up their personal information for algorithmi…

The US is a surveillance pseudo-democracy. The problem here being this time they can't insert themselves into the surveillance pipeline. They're not better or worse (unless you're fine with your own Govt surveilling you but not another state), just not the status quo.

Seriously. The only problem the FBI’s owners have with TikTok is that they can’t police the content

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by conductr »

dahfizz wrote: post #29
weego wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is a surveillance pseudo-democracy. The problem here being this time they can't insert themselves into the surveillance pipeline. They're not better or worse (unless you're fine with your own Govt surveilling you but not another state), just not the status quo.

This is absurd, frankly. "The US government collects taxes on US citizens, why not let China collect taxes on US citizens? Its the same." "The US government throws US citizens in jail, why not let Chine throw US citizens in jail? Its the same." Yeah, it would be great if the Federal government turned down their surveillance. That doesn't make it okay for China to run psy-ops against us.

> That doesn't make it okay for China to run psy-ops against us

Downloading and using TikTok is a personal choice and you’ve allowed it by doing so as an individual. I don’t think we should ban individual apps from other countries. If we want that, we need some larger more thoughtful policy. But to do so effectively, we essentially need to put up a firewall and ban the sharing of domestically collected data as well (amongst other things, like enforcing these bans.)

PSY-ops as mentioned sounds negative but I’d argue it’s what TikTok and social media consumers enjoy the most.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by bbzealot »

hnrodey wrote: post #65

Trump: TikTok is a national security threat! America: XENOPHOBE! Biden: TikTok is a national security threat. America: SHUT IT DOWN!

You’re claiming that a relevant amount of Americans accused Trump of being Xenophobe due to his remarks on TikTok.

Do you have any source to back that claim?

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by pjc50 »

samatman wrote: post #67
pjc50 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sigh can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? If Tiktok the app is performing surveillance, ban surveillance by apps . All of them. Or make it technically impossible to escape its little sandbox, and let people have their entertainment.

We should have rules that include forbidding any Chinese company from selling SaaS or social media until CCP takes the Great Firewall down. They've made a pariah internet and they should stay there. Suit you? Suits me.

What about Russian social media (I think vk got sanctioned but not livejournal)? What about, given the other thread, Qatar? Should Orkut (Brazilian) have been allowed?

My point is that the rules should target what it does rather than simply "China=Bad", since that offers a way back into compliance with the rules. However unlikely that actually is.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by howmayiannoyyou »

Briefest of case studies: Anyone whose watched the rapid growth of antisemitic propaganda and disinformation since the 2016 election may note 4chan/pol/ took the lead in dissemination of stereotypes and tropes intended to influence user thinking. Because there was widespread distrust of other media sources, and b/c /pol/ appealed to younger audiences, and b/c /pol/ developed a reputation for aggregating breaking news (often untrue but thrilling), its audience grew dramatically, to over 11m unique visitors per month. Fast forward to today and Kanye, Irving and others repeat and show /pol/ meme's as their "proof" of antisemetic conspiracies. Antisemetic propaganda has gone mainstream to the point the Jewish community is viewed by one of favorite comedians on SNL as a cabal suppressing AA aspirations, when the opposite has been true since the civil rights movement and the two are actually more in alignment on issues than apart. Tearing groups apart is geopolitics 101 and the US is losing this battle.

** Now multiply that by 50m daily users fed disinformation on whatever topic roils you and you have an idea of the scale of threat posed by TikTok. **

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by throwaway0x7E6 »

darkteflon wrote: post #12

Utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue to operate in the current geopolitical climate. China is a surveillance autocracy and has been engaged in adversarial conduct against the West for years - including extensive psyops. Shut it down, yesterday. Build a local clone so that people can get their fix or whatever. China sure as shit doesn’t allow its citizens to cough up their personal information for algorithmi…

>including extensive psyops

american social media should be shut down yesterday everywhere in the world then - including the US, lmao

there was a really good example really recently with japanese twiiter, where trends were dominated by the diarrhea of progressive politics, and then suddenly stopped when Musk had fired a ton of dead weight. now it's all anime and games. some journo even complained that the stories they submit no longer get promoted and wondered why

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

krageon wrote: post #82
pjc50 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sigh can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? If Tiktok the app is performing surveillance, ban surveillance by apps . All of them. Or make it technically impossible to escape its little sandbox, and let people have their entertainment.

We can't have rules that aren't governed by nationality, because the US basically only sees nationality. TikTok is called "an issue" not because of what it does, why it does it or how it does it. It is called that because of who is doing it. As such, we can expect all this racism couched in careful political language to continue and keep continuing.

Why is this racism?

Is this racism because China is mostly made up of one race? Then, we should ask why that is the case. (E.g. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/30/chinese-communist-party...)

> because the US basically only sees nationality

Is China more generous here?

It is funny that any valid criticism of China is fought with claims of racism.

Re: The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

pjc50 wrote: post #56
darkteflon wrote: post #12

Utterly ridiculous to allow TikTok to continue to operate in the current geopolitical climate. China is a surveillance autocracy and has been engaged in adversarial conduct against the West for years - including extensive psyops. Shut it down, yesterday. Build a local clone so that people can get their fix or whatever. China sure as shit doesn’t allow its citizens to cough up their personal information for algorithmi…

sigh can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules? If Tiktok the app is performing surveillance, ban surveillance by apps . All of them. Or make it technically impossible to escape its little sandbox, and let people have their entertainment.

> can we not have targeted-by-nationality bans and instead have .. rules?

Let's have reciprocal rules. If country X bans US social media then why shouldn't the US do the same?

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