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100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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Post by postingawayonhn »

throwaway23597 wrote: post #49
musesum wrote: post #46

Extreme commitment makes sense if you believe in the mission. Such as saving the planet with EVs. Not sure what Twitter's altruistic mission is. Giving up family life to enable trolls may not seen like a good trade.

+1. Musk needs to offer a compelling vision for what this platform should be. As of now I primarily know Twitter as the home of cancel culture, whiny journalists, and idiotic flame wars. That's not something I would devote 80+ hours a week of my life to, not by a long shot.

I think he has a serious gap in his understanding of the company culture. He has basically just assumed that many of the employees work there for the same reasons employees work at Tesla, SpaceX, etc.

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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Post by cmh89 »

partiallypro wrote: post #12

I think there are going to be two levels of shock: 1) Never give people an ultimatum. It basically never works in your favor. That was such a dumb thing by Elon and his team. I don't think Elon expected the numbers to be so high. 2) Workers often overestimate their own worth within a company or how easily they can be replaced. It's likely that all the people leaving saying Twitter is going to majorly break soon won't…

>as I doubt the core engineers are the ones posting Emojis in the Slack channels.

Why would someone who is capable of being a core engineer at Twitter agree to be overworked after Musk destroys the majority of the company. The most talented people will leave the dumpster fire.

The remaining folks are probably going to be the people with the least confidence that they can get a new job in three months

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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Post by whateveracct »

sigil wrote: post #50
toss1 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That brings it down to under 1000 employees So Elon paid $44B for a company now with 900-odd employees. For a 10-year ROI, that's $4.4B per year profit, or $440 million/per employee For contrast, Netflix has the highest revenue per employee at $2.63 million/person, and Apple is second at $2.38 million, and Alphabet & Meta next at $1.64, and eBay at $0.9 million per employee. So, he'll need to get 200x the profitabili…

> So Elon paid $44B for a company now with 900-odd employees. For a 10-year ROI, that's $4.4B per year profit, or $440 million/per employee. Your math is off. $4.4B per year profit / 1000 employees = $4.4M per year profit per employee.

So still higher than some of the highest benchmarks. 2x instead of 20x. Still tough.

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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Post by gretch »

sega_sai wrote: post #29

I do know that many on HN are critical of twitter, but since the start of the war with Ukraine, twitter was an essential way to get fresh news/analysis of the situation. Therefore it's a pity that twitter is going down. And I do think it is happening.

Is losing information on the war really a bad thing?

I mean of course it is for people living in Ukraine who need updated information to survive. (But I would also hope they have govt sponsored alternatives)

But I actually thought it was deeply disturbing how many ppl in unrelated places, like California, would wake up and look forward to getting a fresh voyeur look on the suffering of others. Ppl were spectating and commenting like it was the latest season of game of thrones. Most likely ppl did some unintentional desensitization to themselves unknowingly.

Imo, not having such information is a net positive for society. Yes we should study war to not repeat historical mistakes. That’s completely different that what I saw a lot of Twitter coverage was tho

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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Post by wilg »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #72
throwaway23597 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1. Musk needs to offer a compelling vision for what this platform should be. As of now I primarily know Twitter as the home of cancel culture, whiny journalists, and idiotic flame wars. That's not something I would devote 80+ hours a week of my life to, not by a long shot.

I think he has a serious gap in his understanding of the company culture. He has basically just assumed that many of the employees work there for the same reasons employees work at Tesla, SpaceX, etc.

Or he just only wants to work with ones who do!

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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Post by D-Coder »

rayiner wrote: post #68

I suspect this works at Tesla and SpaceX because working on rockets and EVs is intrinsically cool and motivating for nerds, in contrast to whatever kind of company Twitter is. But I don’t understand why everyone is so dour. Either Musk figured out how to fix Twitter, or we no longer have to deal with Twitter. Win win.

There's always option three: Musk keeps it working, but worse than it was three weeks ago.

Re: 100s of Twitter employees leaving after Musk's 'extremely hardcore' work demands

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Post by angrysword »

We all know Twitter is really bad product we are using. The obvious problem is the twitter culture. It is extreme difficult to fix a company culture. I believe what Elon did is the fastest way to fix twitter broken culture. I believe 200 engineers can run twitter far more better than now.
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