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Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Most of the cost of a book is not the physical pulp or ink that went into making the book, it is in the editing, typesetting, and marketing that went into making the book ready for sale, so ebooks generally should not be much cheaper than physical books.

Can you substantiate that?

Having read several self‐published Kindle Direct books that are incredibly deficient in the editing and typesetting departments (compared to earlier traditionally‐published works from the same authors), I find the fact rather obvious.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#432

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If you have no idea what you're talking about, post your comment as a question instead of a statement full of inaccurate misconceptions

Could you expand on what's inaccurate? I have honestly been very confused about all this Z-Library news because it struck me as being... well, a profit-motivated knockoff of libgen. With the number of users it has I assume it offers advantages I don't know about?

but that's just something you made up! you've never seen any evidence they're profitable

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#433

Too many Copyright defenders here, mandatory "the intellectual property oxymoron" read: http://harmful.cat-v.org/economics/intellectual_property/

I don't think it was your intention, but your language is unnecessarily inflammatory. People who don't share your opinion are allowed to be here. Even if there are more of those people than you'd like.

Apologies for that. Please ignore the tone in case it appears inflammatory, that was indeed not my intention.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Yes, indeed, government-mandated monopolies are really the best way to make sure the "creative works" of fundamentally indeterminable values get paid and the "free-market" is upheld /s. This moronic notion that IP somehow encourages creativity is so delusional it's not even funny. Did Michelangelo and Shakespeare need copyrights to their works to make money? Have thinkers and authors who contributed most to human int…

This is objectively and demonstratively wrong; the lurid ad hominem only adds to embarrassment. If 'money was not involved' then Shakespeare, Michelangelo et. al. would not have made most of their works. Moreover, you've used two examples of artists creating physical things for money, whereupon the very notion of 'IP' is not hugely relevant. Obviously, people need an income to survive, and most great works require in…

> If 'money was not involved' then Shakespeare, Michelangelo et. al. would not have made most of their works.

Yes, but wasn’t their model one of patronage rather than “intellectual property”? William Shakespeare predated the Statute of Anne, Britain’s first copyright law, by one hundred years.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Me and my colleagues will be affected by the end of Z library and co related projects. Here in Brazil and for sure in most second and third world countries, people don't have money to spend in books. You can argue that people can go to the library, but in most cases it's even expensive to take a bus or taxi even a Uber. I'm a law student at an university in brazil. Law books are really expensive. Even though my unive…

Check out #bookz on Undernet. Also bookfinder.com which works all over the world to find the cheapest used copy (including shipping) to your country.

Also #ebooks on irchighway.net

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#436

I know this won't be a popular take on HN, but while I can understand and to a certain extent sympathize with pirating movies (the intentional friction and arbitrary geographic limitations on access imposed by the multinational movie-industry conglomerates), I can't see stealing some poor author's work in the same light. Sure, people get hung-up about DRM (which can easily be removed by widely-accessible tools), but…

> if we don't buy their books, they won't be able to produce the next one for people to pirate. This is a false dichotomy. Book piracy and traditional book publishing co-exist. If book publishing wants to better compete with piracy, they can innovate like other industries have. As well, your implied prediction —- that if we don’t “stop all the downloading” [0] then books will disappear —- is decidedly ahistorical. Bo…

Put another way, there's no difference in profit between:

10,000 book sales and zero pirated copies.

10,000 book sales and 10 million pirated copies.

The only thing left to argue about is what percentage of those pirated copies would have turned into book sales if the free versions had not been available.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#437

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Median household income in the US in 2022 is $78,000. The average American has adequate income and can't justify pirating movies, books, music, porn, etc. on the basis of poverty.

This context free numbers isn't illustrative or even useful. The world isn't populated by median Americans earning median salaries in a median cost of living area. Imagine 5 households in areas where the poverty line for their household size are 30k 50k and 70k 70k 70k We have could have learned from the sample that the majority live in areas where wages are higher but so are costs of living and the median value is 7…

>None of these facts about the actual distribution of wealth and income is captured by looking at a median income and making up a fiction about what an imaginary American can afford.

Funny you would end by writing of making up a fiction about what an imaginary American can afford when both this comment and your other one are imaginary realities. You say rent takes up most of some $70k, it doesn't. You say "all parties" at that income level are on food stamps, they're not, the percentage of Americans using food stamps varies by year but is 13-15%. You say 169 million Americans are below the median income, no, because we're talking about household income. And, you know, why would you put the 72 million children into this as they generally have $0 income and their expenses are paid by their parents. As well, I'm quite aware of what the distribution of income as I've looked it up in the past. The Congressional Budget Office does a regular report on the distribution of household income and taxes. In the last such report, 2018, the average pretax household income for the bottom quintile before taxes is $22k, after taxes and means tested transfers their income is $38k (yes, they do have a negative net tax rate.) Which is sufficient to live in most big cities in the US.

These [0] people did an analysis of the cost of living in the largest 74 cities in the US. The most expensive among these cities was Irvine, CA with a monthly cost of living of $3062 and a median individual income of $55k. Americans don't have to fight rats for scraps of food from the trash.

0. https://www.move.org/lowest-cost-of-living-by-us-city/

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Maybe I'm thinking wrong but I expected digital editions of books to be like $3 or something since there are no printing/shipping costs of the equivalent printed book. In the old analog world, authors might expect 15% of gross sales. You figure the publisher needed the 85% to cover printing, shipping of the physical book. (Oh, and they should make a profit there too.) But if you no longer have to deal with pulp, I wo…

Download video games have the same issue. same price as physical release, cant resell it, never goes on sale, still the same price it started at 4 years later when a physical copy is 50% discounted. Already have a physical copy? no you cant download it.

Games have been AU$110 on release for current gen Xbox, while the in-store releases can be grabbed for $80-90 typically. Digital on-sale prices tends to track the physical normal/used prices too.

Never going on sale might be more of a Nintendo thing though, which is even worse. On the other hand, their cartridges at least let you play the game in whatever form it shipped - usually.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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It's human culture. The idea that it should be the sole provenance of rich multi-nationals to decide who can afford to read is disgusting. It should all be freely accessible. Removing money from the equation would also solve other quality issues.

How would the authors pay rent?

selling physical copies, in-person speaking events, selling the rights to their IP to filmakers to name a few. Freely accessible =/= profitless.
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