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Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by bayindirh »

pqs wrote: post #314
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I thought I was going nuts after seeing all the negative comments about Evernote here. Personally, I started using Evernote seriously only a month ago after several years, and recently trying pretty much everything else (notion, obsidian, joplin, workflowy and 10s more..). So I don't have any of the baggage from whatever mistakes they made years ago. It's been awesome. Very wide featureset like more than just ma…

I wonder if this backslash is based on reality or not. I mean, what is gonna happen? Maybe these guys are able to solve the technical problems that Evernote has been having. Maybe the product, which now works well on desktop, but slow on mobile, improves and they just sustain it without increasing prices. But it may also happen that they try to squeeze every penny from Evernote before dumping it into the trash. Who k…

I think many people have burnt by the old Evernote. I've also almost stopped using them, and their new apps saved me as a customer.

Since many of the people who despised of Evernote never tried their new apps, and doesn't know what changed and how it works now.

It's still not perfect, and based on Electron, yet it's leaps and bounds better when compared to yesteryear, and it really works well for my case.

I think we need to see where it's going to go. As I said elsewhere, I don't want to abandon them when thinking how I use them, and hope that they don't do some drastic changes.

I'm considering as this hasn't happened, until the new changes start to rollout.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by goto11 »

bighi wrote: post #115
jef_leppard wrote: post #35

I learned three things watching EN snatch defeat from the jaws of victory: 1) There is almost never a case for a total ground up rewrite of your core product. Just don’t do it. 2) Don’t abandon the users who made you successful in the first place. They’re the ones who advocate for you and get your foot in the door. 3) real time google docs style collaborative editing is table stakes for this software category. Build…

I think number 1 could be done, but not like Evernote did. It's been what? 3 years since they released their javascript app, and they still didn't rewrite some important old features. Just last week we got back the option to start writing a note in the title instead of the body. 3 years! I could write an entire Evernote competitor from scratch in 3 years, as a single developer (as a javascript app, not as multiple na…

It is much harder to rewrite an existing product since you have to retain compatibility. If the old version of the app was crap then presumably the persistent data structures are also crap, but you can't discard them. So you end up building a compatibility layer or migration process, but in the end you have to support the same general data model as the old version.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by pqs »

bayindirh wrote: post #321
pqs wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this backslash is based on reality or not. I mean, what is gonna happen? Maybe these guys are able to solve the technical problems that Evernote has been having. Maybe the product, which now works well on desktop, but slow on mobile, improves and they just sustain it without increasing prices. But it may also happen that they try to squeeze every penny from Evernote before dumping it into the trash. Who k…

I think many people have burnt by the old Evernote. I've also almost stopped using them, and their new apps saved me as a customer. Since many of the people who despised of Evernote never tried their new apps, and doesn't know what changed and how it works now. It's still not perfect, and based on Electron, yet it's leaps and bounds better when compared to yesteryear, and it really works well for my case. I think we…

Your position is wise. I'll do the same, but with one difference. I'll stop using Tasks. I love it, but tasks are not exportable by tools like Yarle. So, to avoid the lock in I will switch to Microsoft ToDo for tasks and I will continue to use Evernote for the rest.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by Karunamon »

offtotheraces wrote: post #263
Karunamon wrote: post #206

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I see this complaint a lot and it never really made any sense to me. If something is a scam it has to do with the delivery or the advertisement of the product. But the pricing? No. It is not possible for the price of something by itself to render something a scam. If it costs too much it costs too much, this does not imply malfeasance on the part of the seller.

I agree - it’s about how the developer communicates (or in this case obfuscates) the price to the user. Check out the substack link and you’ll see screenshots of how Bending Spoons does it (it’s highly misleading). Generally I’m of the opinion that consumers are responsible for their own choices; but Apple has allowed bad actors to exploit the availability of weekly subscriptions and prey on suspecting users.

I disagree that "$9.99/week" below a continue button leading to a purchase dialog is in any way misleading.

I looked at the screenshot before reading the surrounding justification, and the understanding I got was that continuing would charge me $9.99 on a weekly basis until canceled (which would also show up in the purchase confirmation). It turns out that is exactly what happens.

So who exactly is being misled here? People who are functionally literate enough to use a smart phone and download an app but illiterate enough to not know what $9.99 a week means? I don't think that person exists. Maybe children but they shouldn't be allowed to sign up for subscriptions without parental oversight anyways.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by r2222 »

HuwFulcher wrote: post #308
brailsafe wrote: post #280

Wow, I'm sure I'm not alone in having completely forgot about Evernote after importing all my notes into Bear. They fell off my radar with such force that I literally haven't even thought of them in years, except for one moment months ago when I noticed their logo on maybe a physical notepad sitting in some old bookstore window. Other than that, I have not even seen the logo anywhere else. Like others, it was the dev…

I love Bear but it's been a big disappointment in how quickly it ships features. They've been working on the web version for what seems like a few years now. If you're 100% in the Apple ecosystem it's great. I have an iPhone and M1 Air for personal use but my last 3 jobs have used Windows, being able to transfer knowledge across devices is a massive pain. I ended up switching to Obsidian due to that. There must be a…

Yeah it’s been extermely slow with the updates. The Bear 2.0 is currently on Mac-only beta but not yet open (unless you join their beta forum and ask for access), but even then, it doesn’t have the web app. I’ve seen the Bear team say that they did a full rewrite (in C++ I think?) so that it would be easier to implement the web app in future but who knows how many years in the future that is.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by brookst »

damontal wrote: post #187
brookst wrote: post #14

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Same. It was ahead of its time and incredibly useful, then behind its time and useful, and now antiquated but still full of my important notes. Do I have a loyalty club membership at that one hotel I stayed in halfway around the world 15 years ago, when I had a different email address? Evernote is the only place I can find out. As soon as there’s a dead simple migration path to OneNote, I’ll have $50/year more spendi…

It's up 79$/year now for personal accounts.

Ugh. Ok, one more year. THEN I migrate.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by chkaloon »

randerson wrote: post #285
smcleod wrote: post #171

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Evernote was still decent enough before the ditched the native app for a dreadful Electron webframe.

Agree. But you can still download the legacy native apps. https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Ins...

Yes, still use the older Android version. There are still show-stopping search bugs in the newer versions that haven't been fixed in 3+ years.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by staticman2 »

egypturnash wrote: post #216
staticman2 wrote: post #123

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I don't understand why you wouldn't just use google docs or microsoft word to collaborate on a graphic novel? Evernote is not and was never a word processor. The creators of the street angel graphic novel series said all of their ideas are in a google drive folder.

I don't like web apps and don't want my life in Google. Also I had been a paid user of Evernote for a few years already when Google Docs came out, I had already learnt that "if you're not paying for it, you're the product". I'm not a fan of Microsoft, either. I've never had to swap Word documents around so that's not in my lie at all. Evernote was on my computer, and on my phone; it's where I'd note down an idea when…

I've written comic scripts myself and I'm sure you are probably aware of this but the traditional way is really not complex word processing templates based on screenwriting templates. It's just whatever random format the author likes.

Scriviner has no collaborative features and IMHO you are making things unreasonably difficult for yourself by using the wrong tools for the job.

I've kept using Evernote "legacy" (or whatever its called, the pre electron version ) without upgrading to v10 so I don't even understand why you've created this problem for yourself if you still like Evernote.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by Vibgyor5 »

nathan_f77 wrote: post #288
Vibgyor5 wrote: post #284

For anyone looking for an INCREDIBLE note-taking app, check out UpNote. https://getupnote.com/ - Sleek UX/UI. It does not overoptimize there either. Just the right amount of perfect for me. - Importantly, cross-platform: as someone on Android and Mac, it works seamlessly - $24.99 Lifetime pricing. No subscription BS. - Developers pay close attention to user feedback but they're also not dumping features there left, r…

Thanks for the recommendation! I'm going to try them out now. EDIT: I was able to export my main "Evernote" notebook into a 1.8GB .enex file, and have started importing all the notes into UpNote. It works well so far! I really like the Markdown editor, that's already a lot more comfortable to use. I will probably switch to this. It's just a bit strange that importing notes from Evernote is a premium feature, so you c…

Glad to hear you tried and liked it

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by crossroadsguy »

Vibgyor5 wrote: post #284

For anyone looking for an INCREDIBLE note-taking app, check out UpNote. https://getupnote.com/ - Sleek UX/UI. It does not overoptimize there either. Just the right amount of perfect for me. - Importantly, cross-platform: as someone on Android and Mac, it works seamlessly - $24.99 Lifetime pricing. No subscription BS. - Developers pay close attention to user feedback but they're also not dumping features there left, r…

There’s FOSS https://fsnot.es.

Looks quite flexible. Exports, iCloud Sync, Deopbox, can also have notes as a Git repo.

But big drawback — Apple ecosystem only. But since it syncs to things other than iOS I think other apps can be used on other platform.

Dev has made it clear he will not be able to develop for other platforms.

I have not used it a lot (still on Simplenote and exploring). It looks good and it’s open source so I thought one could check it out.

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