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Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by bayindirh »

ace2358 wrote: post #195
bayindirh wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, their experience is pretty pleasant and the product works very well after they have rebuilt their apps. They don’t need to be jealous. Their relative utilitarian take on the matter is what makes them so unique and powerful in the market. Yes, I love markdown, and Evernote just provides a slightly more powerful, WYSIWYG version of it. I neither want “everything and the kitchen sink” vision of Notion, and des…

Thanks for sharing your take. I dropped Evernote years and years ago. Like iPad 2 long ago. I feel like they were some of the early subscription services and probably copped a lot of my rage about it. I still hate subscription fees. I would prefer to pay for my storage (or host my own) and have apps use my cloud backend. Every app running cloud server to sync all sorts of things has become too much for me. I still ro…

I'm also generally on the same boat with you. I'd rather pay for the infrastructure and deploy my own tools on top of that, however with the features some applications provide, it becomes either impossible to replace them, or the time required for maintaining them becomes too much for my life.

People say "Installing your own servers is cool, why don't you do that?". I do that, but for small things. At work, I have a fleet of servers, and managing them is enough. After being able to play with cutting edge stuff, renting a VPS from DO and putting stuff on top of it is neither fun, nor satisfying.

Instead, I diligently select and use services, and offload maintenance of such systems to the provider. Of course I take my backups and take my precautions, but I don't want to manage every service I use.

I personally don't like subscription services mostly, but some subscriptions provide real services which I see worthy, and I happily pay for them. Evernote is one of them.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by bayindirh »

awill wrote: post #212
bayindirh wrote: post #196

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Why not?

Selling to Bending Spoons isn't a success story

I think jury is out on that one until we see the effects.

Trello's acquisition was not as disastrous as I thought yet, for example. Wunderlist became Microsoft To Do. As a result, they are burrowed deep into the Microsoft ecosystem and got forgotten on the other hand.

Let's see where it goes and what's gonna happen to the ecosystem. I like Evernote at its current state, hope they won't turn it upside down.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by cianmm »

gumby wrote: post #226
cianmm wrote: post #37

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Do you know if Notes performs the OCR on files that [are imported over from Evernote?]( https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205793 ) I have many hundreds (maybe low-thousands) of PDFs and images that I need to be able to access once in a blue moon, but when I need them Evernote's OCR makes it easy. I guess I could just try it out with a subsection of notes.

I think you have to scan directly from notes.

Nope, looks like it indexed over night!

Time for the giant migration!

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by piaste »

offtotheraces wrote: post #260
paxys wrote: post #172

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None of what you wrote makes them sound like a "bad actor". All of these are good things for a failing business. Why shouldn't a photo editing app be $10/week? If you don't think you are getting that much value out of it then don't subscribe. Yet there is probably a group of power users who will gladly pay that amount. Evernote needs to be catering to them, not the millions of users who will endlessly complain but ne…

This is a common response. unfortunately it doesn’t hold water: the average lifetime of a paid user of Splice is somewhere in the 7-10 week range (source is confidential). What super users of editing products do you know that only stay 10 weeks? None. What’s actually happening is Bending Spoons is exploiting the App Store’s ease of payment and dark patterns to trick unsuspecting users into enrolling in a super high p…

> without their knowledge

I've never had an iPhone so I'm not familiar with these dark patterns. Are you saying it's actually possible to get an Apple user to subscribe without clearly displaying the payment amount or frequency?

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by Manjuuu »

paxys wrote: post #214
Manjuuu wrote: post #205

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That minuscule subset is well designed, yes, the rest decent BUT some of them with in my opinion predatory pricing in many cases, $9/wk to download some wallpaper or some sleep noises app. But yes, they are not the only ones doing it. If you are interested search on the appstore among the boatload of apps they have.

Okay well you should be able to link to a single one then.. I still can't find any examples of how this company is fraudulent.

I wouldn't say "fraudolent", no laws are being broken here. And I'm not trying to be snarky with this, but I'm not doing your research for you on a well known issue of the App Store. I'm ok if you keep being not aware of it.

This specific company has a decade long history of being in the grey zone in regard to App Store rules. Like many others, yes, but let's not normalize it.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by approxim8ion »

c-smile wrote: post #68

Yeah. > And enterprises of great pith and moment, > With this regard, their currents turn awry, > And lose the name of action. Hamlet, William Shakespeare I was employee #3 at original Evernote, when we were just implementing that brilliant idea. Here is the photo of pretty much precise moment when Evernote was born: https://notes.sciter.com/2017/09/11/motivation-and-a-bit-of-... What a memory, I really miss that atm…

Thanks for sharing! The state of application development is rather sad, that screenshot just conveys a feeling of speed and efficiency to me that is lacking in modern software.

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by HuwFulcher »

brailsafe wrote: post #280

Wow, I'm sure I'm not alone in having completely forgot about Evernote after importing all my notes into Bear. They fell off my radar with such force that I literally haven't even thought of them in years, except for one moment months ago when I noticed their logo on maybe a physical notepad sitting in some old bookstore window. Other than that, I have not even seen the logo anywhere else. Like others, it was the dev…

I love Bear but it's been a big disappointment in how quickly it ships features. They've been working on the web version for what seems like a few years now. If you're 100% in the Apple ecosystem it's great. I have an iPhone and M1 Air for personal use but my last 3 jobs have used Windows, being able to transfer knowledge across devices is a massive pain. I ended up switching to Obsidian due to that.

There must be a good reason for why its taken so long, they've created a solid app so it doesn't make sense that they dropped the ball on the web version.

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Post by Smerity »

chucky123 wrote: post #291
spiffytech wrote: post #275

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CRDTs, and Yjs specifically, are lowering the bar on this. I can't name any products I know are using them, though.

Figma uses CRDT. And Notion has their own thing based on CRDT(not fact checked)

To note, Figma use something inspired by but not quite CRDTs:

> Figma isn't using true CRDTs though. CRDTs are designed for decentralized systems where there is no single central authority to decide what the final state should be. There is some unavoidable performance and memory overhead with doing this. Since Figma is centralized (our server is the central authority), we can simplify our system by removing this extra overhead and benefit from a faster and leaner implementation.

> It’s also worth noting that Figma's data structure isn't a single CRDT. Instead it's inspired by multiple separate CRDTs and uses them in combination to create the final data structure that represents a Figma document.

https://www.figma.com/blog/how-figmas-multiplayer-technology...

Re: Evernote to be acquired by Bending Spoons

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Post by wyclif »

bayindirh wrote: post #140
awill wrote: post #125

They must be incredibly jealous of all the successful note taking apps (Notion, Ulysses, Bear, Craft). Evernote were first, and blew it. No other way to describe it. I dumped Evernote when they restricted their free accounts to 2 devices. Ironically I'm now paying for Ulysses, money I might have give to Evernote had they not been so awful to early adopters.

Actually, their experience is pretty pleasant and the product works very well after they have rebuilt their apps. They don’t need to be jealous. Their relative utilitarian take on the matter is what makes them so unique and powerful in the market. Yes, I love markdown, and Evernote just provides a slightly more powerful, WYSIWYG version of it. I neither want “everything and the kitchen sink” vision of Notion, and des…

You know what, though? I've had a better experience with Obsidian because it's desktop centric. Trying hard not to be anecdotal, but I can't think of anybody I know that uses a note taking app that enjoys taking notes on a mobile device.
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