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Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by simion314 »

ahungry wrote: post #188
simion314 wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you are doing the close is actually not killing the app you should ensure the user is aware the app is still recording. Some apps will show a recoding thinggy ont he screen or it will tell you before closing and you need to agree. I don't have the time to test this, but if is true that you close the app and it sill continue recording that this is bad UX and the company should have prioritize fixing this in…

Doesn't it show a system tray icon? (I don't use discord on Windows, or a system tray myself) - is a system tray icon not adequate? I believe it would show 24/7 wouldn't it?

I am not sure, it won't be enough IMO if the icon in the Tray is not changing to a clear Recording icon.

It would be like on my phone the big red End Call button would not end the call, just minimize the app and put a small gray icon on the top-bar section.

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Post by lightedman »

crtasm wrote: post #212
lyu07282 wrote: post #163

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Its by-design, so you can voice with people while playing multiplayer games.

Minimising the window would achieve that, it's not necessary for closing it to also do so.

Closing the window frees up some video RAM, as you are no longer processing and displaying video streams from the voice/video chat. Minimizing the window keeps that RAM in active use.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by devwastaken »

namdnay wrote: post #154
theCrowing wrote: post #89

Sorry but the points are totally valid. If you delete your account your messages are still available with a userid that if someone has it can be traced back to you. They also don't delete files or pictures you uploaded alone for this they should get fined.

isn't that the case for gmail? if you send me an email with a picture in it, then delete your email account, i can still see your email when logging into my gmail

All emails and attachments are apart of your allowed cloud storage capacity, and you have to be explicit in whom you're sending emails to.

Discord is none of that. They never tell you that your messages and media are forever. If you get banned from a server or leave, all of your stuff is still there. There is no reason for this other than eventually selling that data or other evil purposes.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by [deleted] »

baxtr wrote: post #151
theCrowing wrote: post #89

Sorry but the points are totally valid. If you delete your account your messages are still available with a userid that if someone has it can be traced back to you. They also don't delete files or pictures you uploaded alone for this they should get fined.

In any case, 800k is a ridiculous amount for such a huge company like Discord.

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Post by lightedman »

Semaphor wrote: post #115
debugnik wrote: post #110

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Except for Discord, which actually closes the entire application on Alt-F4 instead of just the window.

Huh. You are right. Alt+F4 closes the application, clicking the X closes the window. Kinda inconsistent.

Alt-F4 invokes different processes than the X button does. The X button is more akin to CTRL-F4.

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Post by [deleted] »

ignormies wrote: post #218
mbreese wrote: post #216

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You can save a screenshot discord chat too. There’s nothing wrong with that. If someone published something and you want to save a copy for personal purposes, go ahead. The difference is in what Discord’s responsibility is. If Discord claimed to have deleted an account, then they shouldn’t still be publishing a post from a user. Especially if such a post could still be tied back to the historical user id. I can under…

An even better analogy would be a mailing list, instead of directly emailing/cc-ing recipients. Definitively not "private messaging". If I delete my email account, and/or remove it from the list, there's no expectation that my prior emails are deleted for any of the other list subscribers. The mailing list archive isn't pruned of my account and everything I ever sent will still be visible.

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Post by xphx »

eldaisfish wrote: post #157
akuji1993 wrote: post #146

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Why would European countries extradite american criminals to the US? Because we established a trust in each other and want to keep it that way for both sides benefits.

this is a poor comparison. Extradition treaties exist and contain specific legal obligations. It is not based on trust and there are several pairs of countries that do not have specific extradition treaties.

> treaties [...] not based on trust

How are these treaties enforced? All international treaties are ultimately based on trust. There is no higher authority, only elective councils of and voluntary commitment to procedures (a.k.a. promises) by sovereign states.

Specifically not even these formal promises have been given by e.g. the United States of America which to this day has signed but never ratified either the VCLT[1] or the VCLTIO[2], so is figuratively giving a lukewarm "let's see about the convenience of that when it comes up".

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_the_Law_o...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_the_Law_o...

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Post by nickpp »

mopsi wrote: post #200
nickpp wrote: post #198

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Freedom and innovation, not rules and regulations.

Freedom for me, but not for thee. These rules and regulations are the result of not respecting users' freedoms. Certain kinds of "innovations", from bioweapons to pushing teenagers towards suicide for profit, should be banned.

30 years on the Internet and I am still waiting to see the huuuuuge damage I get from companies tracking me online. Because targeted ads I didn't mind.

But you had to equate them with bioweapons and teen suicide. Do you really find them comparable? How?!

Meanwhile millions of man-hours are wasted across the EU hunting and closing annoying cookie consent dialogs. Small ad-supported business which existed since the beginning of the internet now don't. And we don't even know what we are missing.

Because this is how regulations damage the world: they embrace a (supposed) benefit but nobody compares it with the price paid. Opportunities missed. And what should be in the end a personal decision is stolen from us in an overpowering decision made in our names and "for our own good".

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Post by pjc50 »

inductive_magic wrote: post #5
tl wrote: post #3

> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

>Interesting this is considered [Microsoft] Discord's fault and not Microsoft Windows. Probably because Discord implements the button, no? They configure what happens when you press "X", so their configuration is in violation, not the platform.

This whole thing is making my head ache.

Pressing X or Alt-F4 sends WM_CLOSE to the window. By default this is converted to WM_DESTROY and closes the window. By default, an application with no more windows open will exit.

It's quite normal for applications to intercept WM_CLOSE, for example with a modal dialog of "Do you want to save your files?".

Over the past few years it has also become common for applications, including Microsoft Teams, to interpret "all windows closed" as "minimise to Systray". Microsoft also responded to increasing use of the systray by auto-hiding most apps in it.

The issue is not "minimise to systray" per se, it's "sending user voice when the user thought they'd closed all the windows".

(bonus stackoverflow: you can separate the behavior https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9788662/how-do-i-repurpo... )

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