I'm an EU citizen and support the GDPR. But it's only a question of time before the US will interpet these fines as an undeclared trade war and make up the legal framework to do retaliatory strikes against EU tech companies. Borders and tariffs will be the long-term future of the Internet.
Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR
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Importantly, Teams will leave a meeting if you exit the Meeting window. Keeping the meeting going in the background is honestly pretty crazy.
Its by-design, so you can voice with people while playing multiplayer games.
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The point of GDPR is to defend the user. Tech companies aren't your friends, they only want your money. What baffles me is people being outraged by this fine like they needed to pay that, not a billion dollar tech company. It is justified because what Discord didn't implement can harm the user. it can harm YOU. People easily forget that Internet is for everyone. Even for people that didn't grew with a computer, even…
Governments aren't your friends either
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I'm sure most sizable IRC networks have some level of logging if only to validate claims of spam or rule-breaking.
Even with that. It's anonymous if you don't login. All you do is pick a name you like, type something random and exit. And all they have is an ip address that may change at anytime. I am not sure if GDPR should apply if that can't be used to trace back to you at first place. And if this should apply. I think everyone on the earth that connect to internet are probably in danger. You visit my site and leave a message.…
Since GDPR, PII (Personal Identifiable Information) data has become radioactive, the less you touch it easier your life is.
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No. Email is private messaging. If you send email to me and then delete it in your end, I'm allowed to store your email as a whole (sometimes legally obliged).
And if I send an email to 200 recipients they can all store it, I don’t see the fundamental difference for discord TBH
The difference is in what Discord’s responsibility is.
If Discord claimed to have deleted an account, then they shouldn’t still be publishing a post from a user. Especially if such a post could still be tied back to the historical user id.
I can understand why they’d want to keep the data (sometimes you need to keep an archive of posts for legal reasons - for a limited time). But making an archived post visible to the public is the problem.
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But it’s a chat application, those messages aren’t owned by just the user that authored them. Even if a user deletes their account I should be able to go back in my chat history and find their messages and know it was them. It would be stupid if someone closing their cellular account would somehow reach into my phone and delete their contact, their messages, and replace their phone number with all zeros and this is s…
I agree with you in principle and I think that the EU is basically extorting American companies, but in your example all that information is stored in your phone, while in this case the information is stored in Discord's servers.
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And if I send an email to 200 recipients they can all store it, I don’t see the fundamental difference for discord TBH
You can save a screenshot discord chat too. There’s nothing wrong with that. If someone published something and you want to save a copy for personal purposes, go ahead. The difference is in what Discord’s responsibility is. If Discord claimed to have deleted an account, then they shouldn’t still be publishing a post from a user. Especially if such a post could still be tied back to the historical user id. I can under…
If I delete my email account, and/or remove it from the list, there's no expectation that my prior emails are deleted for any of the other list subscribers.
The mailing list archive isn't pruned of my account and everything I ever sent will still be visible.
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I would say it shows an icon on the system tray, but I think recent versions of Windows like to hide unused icons for whatever reason. In my experience; quite a few programs will minimize to system tray when pressing x.
The issue highlighted in the article is no other VoiP/chat program will continue to record audio in the background. Which you can absolutely do, just don't make it the default behaviour. Valid point in my view.
Just tested in a call with Skype. Closing the windows still has the program running, recording, and the call is still active.
Ditto Camfrog.
Ditto Paltalk.
That's because most actual programs have a 'minimize to tray on closing' option enabled by default on install.
It's been like this since 1998 or so. I've been undoing that option for at least 20 years, because when I click X I expect it to GTFO.
Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR
#220Sorry but the points are totally valid. If you delete your account your messages are still available with a userid that if someone has it can be traced back to you. They also don't delete files or pictures you uploaded alone for this they should get fined.