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Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Me and my colleagues will be affected by the end of Z library and co related projects. Here in Brazil and for sure in most second and third world countries, people don't have money to spend in books. You can argue that people can go to the library, but in most cases it's even expensive to take a bus or taxi even a Uber. I'm a law student at an university in brazil. Law books are really expensive. Even though my unive…

I was looking for a book a while ago, it was something like $150 in the U.S. Out of curiosity, I looked up the price in other countries. It was 150 times the exchange rate.

150$ for a book is a lot of money even in the U.S. How do publishers expect other countries to pay the equivalent of 150$ (in local currency)? In many places $150 might be half the monthly salary or worse.

I understand publishers and authors need to get paid, especially the authors. It takes decades to gain expertise in difficult subjects and on top of it, one needs to be able to write well to create a good book. So yes, authors need to be compensated. But at the same time, their customer base in most cases are college kids. How do they expect them to pay? And how much of all that money goes to the authors anyway, who are the real experts vs the middlemen, the publishers?

The whole situation is just depressing.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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post #181

Me and my colleagues will be affected by the end of Z library and co related projects. Here in Brazil and for sure in most second and third world countries, people don't have money to spend in books. You can argue that people can go to the library, but in most cases it's even expensive to take a bus or taxi even a Uber. I'm a law student at an university in brazil. Law books are really expensive. Even though my unive…

I was looking for a book a while ago, it was something like $150 in the U.S. Out of curiosity, I looked up the price in other countries. It was 150 times the exchange rate. 150$ for a book is a lot of money even in the U.S. How do publishers expect other countries to pay the equivalent of 150$ (in local currency)? In many places $150 might be half the monthly salary or worse. I understand publishers and authors need…

>But at the same time, their customer base in most cases are college kids. How do they expect them to pay?

Student loans. When you flood an entire sector with money, it's only logical that prices go up.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#183

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In my country wage theft is committed on migrant labour. Western Europe is not much different than Quatar in that respect only nobody cares.

The world starts caring when the Olympics or World Cup come to a country. I hadn’t even heard about Qatar prior to them hosting the World Cup.

The Olympics and World Cup have come to Western Europe (e.g. England, France, Norway, Spain) over and over again

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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the point im trying to make is they both hopelessly anti-democracy. they all love lobbying (= anti-democracy to me: the deeper pockets have more influence) there in washington

Like most things, anti-democratic activity is a spectrum rather than black or white. It seems fairly obvious to me that there is a large gulf between the two parties on that spectrum.

It also doesn't help that true democracy isn't something people actualy want. So democracy has basically been redefined to mean a republic that makes decisions that benefit or are demanded by the most people.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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It's not free at the library, the book was purchased with your taxes.

It was purchased a single time, just like the original e-book that you pirate.

Every person in the world doesnt use a single library with a single copy. Every local library purchases one or more. How many did Zlib purchase? How many Zlibs are there?

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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It's not free at the library, the book was purchased with your taxes.

It was purchased a single time, just like the original e-book that you pirate.

Scale is a thing though, right?

The library book might get borrowed dozens or hundreds of times. The pirated ebook is copied anywhere from dozens to millions of times.

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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> yeah, social justice is political only in USA You’re shifting your goal posts. You said “social justice is an objective of US as a whole” and hence “not a political view.” That’s false. > Even Iran ratified one treaty more than US Which shows the difference. Ratification, in America, is not performative. Those treaties can become the basis for lawsuits against the U.S. in U.S. courts. If you’re arguing women have a…

> You’re shifting your goal posts. You said “social justice is an objective of US as a whole” and hence “not a political view.” That’s false. If you're saying that US usually says one thing, and does another thing entirely, you're right. When someone signs an official document in representation of their Country, they are actually saying that the Country's objective align with the things written in the document. They…

> you're saying that US usually says one thing, and does another thing entirely, you're right

No. I am saying you said "social justice is an objective of US as a whole" and hence "not a political view." Then you said "social justice is political only in USA." Those are opposing views you've flip flopped on.

> signed a document that stated that social justice is not political, it's a human right

No, it did not.

> like the ratification of International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination in 1994?

You're launching off solely titles. Read the text [1]. Article 5 enumerates rights. The rest is condemnations and the establishment of a commission. China, Saudi Arabia and Israel are also a signatories [2]. None of them give Article 14 jurisdiction, the U.S. included, which made it a toothless ratification.

[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/...

[2] https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/...

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

#189

A lot of the typical and expected takes for these sort of discussions: - on one side, people who are in favour of the arrests , because they see their a activities as crimes. They have point - on the other side people that one way or another, believe that the distribution of the information should be free in some sense. Justifications always abound. A d it's Ok I offer a third take: Theres no reason why authors shoul…

Does this apply to everyone? If I build and sell an indie software product, should I only be able to sell it for the distribution costs ($0.02/user/month, say) once I have recouped someone's definition of a fair hourly wage for building it?

Re: Z-library founders arrested in Argentina

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Wage theft is committed by millions of employers, this "theft" was committed by just a few people. While I agree with your general sentiment, the resources required to prosecute wage theft would be vastly greater than to prosecute this case. That being said, they should definitely prosecute wage theft much more than they are now. Maybe the fear of jail time if wage theft were actually prosecuted a few times would det…

In my country wage theft is committed on migrant labour. Western Europe is not much different than Quatar in that respect only nobody cares.

You are right that it happens, but people do care and enforcement is improving in at least several countries like the UK and Norway.
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