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Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Terrible example, digital media can last far longer, under the same circumstances. Have a USB drive Hard Drive, or USB? Plug them in 10 to 15 years later, chances are, they will have far less damage than a book in all those years. It's an unfair comparison.

If USB sticks are as unreliable as some SD cards, chances are they break after a few years, too.

I have a game that was distributed via an USB stick, and on the rare occasion that I had to reinstall that game, I've always needed to restore a backup copy back onto the USB stick, because the files on the stick themselves were damaged (the USB stick itself is required as some sort of copy protection dongle for the installer).

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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"Why Rosyna Can't Take A Movie Screenshot" : https://web.archive.org/web/20170617174641/https://www.alexr... And that's why it's important to boycott devices and software that allow DRM : Intel and Ryzen AMD CPUs, Windows 11 (requires a DRM chip), maybe Chrome/ium if it doesn't allow to easily disable DRM support, Steam...

Boycotton all recent x86 CPUs is probably not reasonable for most people. More actionable is to make sure you control the software (most importantly, the OS) that runs on those CPUs so that their user-hostile features are not used for DRM.

You're right, not for most people. But we aren't most people here, and can stick with older AMD for desktops, as well as should be heavily investigating the alternatives like RISC-V (and also the "true" Linux, non-Android smartphone alternatives for somewhat related reasons).

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Authors that published 10+ years ago don't have bills to pay? This is a weird moral distinction to me.

This is what you say here, but let's see if this accurately reflects your reality. Do you live in a house? Do the people who built it receive regular payments from you? They build houses and are paid for their work. If they want to keep being paid, they need to keep building houses. What about the roads you use, do those who built them continue to be paid for their work decades later? What is "Weird" about your think…

Houses are built and sold on a different model. If we equate authors with a construction company, respectively all the different tradesmen involved in building construction, the one big difference is that from the construction company's point of view houses aren't build speculatively.

A construction company builds a house because a clearly defined entity commissions it to do so, so setting up a one-and-done-style transaction (I pay you for your whole effort in constructing the house and that's that) is only natural, and while it's not cheap, people are also willing to pay that kind of price because once built a house will last decades and also because you have to have some kind of shelter. (Though the existence of renting shows that other economical models for financing housing are possible, too).

Books on the other hand are a different matter. Writing a book usually takes on the order of months to years, but few people are willing to individually pay a writer just in order to be able to read a single book. Paying a writer's cost of living for a year or so might be only an order of magnitude or two cheaper than building a house, but compared to a house the value you get out of a typical book is definitively several orders of magnitude lower than the value you get out of a house.

In order for books to be viable, their cost of production needs to be split up among many people, and what's worse, that set of people isn't really known in advance. So the model we've arrived at is that somebody (either a publishing house, but often actually the author him- or herself) fronts that cost and then expects to make it back bit by bit through individual sales, which means that people wanting to read that book are definitively expected to pay their fair share.

And because the whole thing still is somewhat of a speculative endeavour (a book might be genuinely bad or otherwise unpopular, or just have bad luck/timing and therefore not become popular), it also means that some books will still not make back their cost of production, which conversely also means that, other, more popular books will earn healthy profits – but if you just cut out the profits from the popular works, it might mean the averages on which the whole model is based might no longer work out.

(Yes, for popular authors with a reputation to uphold things like preorders, Kickstarter, etc. can work out, too, but you somehow need to be able to get to that point of popularity in the first place)

As for roads – the relationship between road construction companies and whoever commissions that road is the same as with building houses – a clearly defined buyer, who can afford paying the price of a once-and-done transaction because the road will deliver enough value.

If we're looking at the relationship between whoever commissioned that road and the actual end users on the other hand, there are actually some similarities to the models used for books there: The set of expected users of that road isn't clearly defined, yet the costs need to be split up among them. Most of the time that issue is side-stepped by simply paying for roads out of general (or occasionally special) taxation, but other times you get things like toll roads, were road users are very well expected to pay for them for a long time, possibly even after the original construction costs have long been paid off, and maybe more than would just be required for ongoing maintenance.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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I was shocked to find that this wouldn't even work on my desktop! You have to go to the browser settings and turn off hardware acceleration. If you rent an HD movie from Prime Video, you get a notice saying that your screen has to be compliant with some specific standard, and part of the standard is essentially baked-in DRM that prevents taking screenshots of the content. The device belongs to me , the content was st…

> Yet here we are, apparently DRM is baked into all of our screens now. This situation sucks. It's as if movie and tv studios (including Netflix, apparently) said "we want you to implement a bunch of intrusive, complicated, wasteful technology that will punish paying users while having little to no effect on pirates" and all the tech companies said "great idea, let's do it!" I suppose the (self-correcting) endgame is…

It's already happening. You cannot get better than 720p on most services on linux, while pirated content is available in 4k

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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What ereader do you use that lets you read PDFs and EPUBs (presumably those formats) easily? I've heard Kindles aren't very accepting of that and would love to have a good alternative.

You could try a Kobo e-reader, they do EPUB well and will open PDFs. I haven't tried PDFs lately because it's generally a poor experience trying to use a 6 or 8 inch screen to peer at a page designed for 13 inches ... Check out some talk here, for instance: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350162

yeah, I have a Kobo for EPUB and use my Remarkable for PDFs

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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This completely ignores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_correction_code Those have been known for a long time and they are used in practice for both transmission and long-term storage. Big storage arrays come with health metrics and auto-rebalancing around broken drives. The idea that digital storage media degrades without "opportunity for someone to notice" is outright false.

Devices themselves can fail too, not just media.

Sure? We were talking about data though.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Paperbacks are easily lost, stolen, or destroyed by things like flood, fire, mildew, insects. While digital books are also stored on media that can be lost, stolen, etc., the magic comes from storing multiple copies in different places.

In the 3rd world or maybe in the "cardboard" homes in the US, Maybe. But under a proper shelf, wardrobe, desk or box, books last for long. I still have a comic book compilation (hard cover) from the 70's right here. The condition it's perfect for its age.

And yet those things have happened to me, despite storing them properly.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Historically, yes. Today? No. The internet has, in many ways, supplanted it. And where Libraries are hobbled by following the laws, the internet community has found ways around this particular damage. And that's cool. Now then, should Libraries be getting shafted like this? Fuck no. Can any actions I take - short of running for office and making my way up to the federal government in charge of interstate commerce - e…

The internet is insanely prone to losing stuff. What percentage of the first 10,000 YouTube videos from 2005 do you think are still accessible? With copyright and account issues etc issues I would be surprised if it broke 20% and that’s for a website that’s still around. You can find old stuff due to internet archive and that’s about it. Making the internet basically a giant single point of failure in practice.

> With copyright and account issues etc issues I would be surprised if it broke 20% and that’s for a website that’s still around.

On YouTube there are around 20 different labels claiming to own the copyright to a recording of the Red Army Choir singing the Soviet national anthem more than 50 years ago.

UMG has already decided you're not allowed to embed it on some other sites. Additionally, due to licensing issues, music "owned" by certain labels hasn't been/is not available in the certain countries.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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DRM-laden digital books should be seen like the extra cheap paperbacks which fall apart sitting untouched on the shelf after a couple of years. Extremely different than the well-bound books one might think of when handling a 100 year old book. Non-DRM'd ebooks in formats which are open, easily parseable, and that people care to archive should be fine for a long time. Some people here are talking about a decade as if…

Is there a non-DRM format + an e-reader combo that allows for bookmarks, text selection, dictionary search? Ideally I would prefer to keep my Kindle but would really love to buy and own non-DRM books.

Onyx BOOX fits this description.

Its bookreader, Neoreader, is quite good.

The devices themselves are Android tablets, with an e-ink display. You can install and use any other Android ebook software, including among those, Koboreader, PocketBook, and FBReader.

My preference among those is actually Onyx's reader, at least on their own devices.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Maybe from Hogwarts...have you seen want they do with their books?

Seriously, here in Europe books are treated with a lot of care because books were and are relatively expensive, unlike mangas in Japan which were sold like chip bags. Maybe a lot of them have a folded page or such, but the content it's readable. Try that with IDE disks from a Pentium II.

Ok, i folded the disk and after many hour of testing i have to say that your are right, it's not working anymore, however for the sake of correctness it was a Pentium4 era harddisk.

But yeah being swiss i know what you mean ;)

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