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Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Props to the EU for keeping data giants accountable. It is a shame the data protection authorities only have resources to process so many companies, unfortunately, many get away with much more harm to user privacy.

In this case the fine has nothing to do with keeping data secured.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> does Alt-F4 not do the right thing on Windows Alt-F4 closes the _window_, not the application. If the application can 'survive' without a window, not exiting the application is the correct behaviour.

Alt+F4 kills the process.

No it doesn't.

If I open blender and hit 'Render Image', a new Window will open with the rendered image. This does NOT spawn a new process. Hitting Alt+F4 on this window closes the window. This does NOT kill a process.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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post #36

Does Discord even have a corporate presence in the EU? For the French government to be fining companies because they happen to dislike the UI is such a random and unpredictable decision that it seems like a strong signal for US firms to not set up offices in the EU at all.

GDPR applies to all companies that provide services to EU residents.

Technically applies and realistically applies are two very different things.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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With all due respect 800.000 is a moderate amount looking at some awards in the consumer space in the US considering that we are looking here at a situation where eavesdropping on other people in the privacy of their homes is involved.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I quit Discord with Cmd-Q, does Alt-F4 not do the right thing on Windows? I think the expectation of Windows users is that the X does in fact quit the application, so they don't reach for Alt-F4 the same way Mac users reach for Cmd-Q when they want to quit an application. Basing this on the common complaint of "Why does the application still stay in the Dock after I close it?" from Windows to Mac switchers.

Plenty of Windows applications continue running in background by default after pressing X. It's so widespread that I'd say it's the expected behavior for anything that has a tray icon (Discord does). Most apps that are designed to run in background behave like that by default - media players, torrent clients, sync and backup programs, communication apps, even VMs.

For applications with an open mic to disappear into the Tray Icon without any visual indicator in the UI that the mic is still open however is very uncommon.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

I like the CMD+Q Chrome implementation on macOS and would like to see it everywhere, essentially acts as a confirmation since it will quit if you press again or your do a long press. See, Apple put @ on Q on some languages[0] and you are required to press OPTION+Q to type @ and quite often you end up closing the app when you are trying to type an e-mail address. It's particularly annoying in browsers when you acciden…

It's not Apple's fault. @ being on Q is the German national norm [1].

The problem is people who are accustomed to Windows keyboard layouts (which matches the national norm) - they are accustomed to Alt Gr+Q for @, and the Alt Gr key is on Windows the key right next to the space bar... which means they press Cmd+Q on Macs instead out of muscle memory.

You can put in a Windows keyboard layout that restores your sanity on macOS [1] with only the small re-learning of using right Option instead of cmd, the problem is stuff like Adobe Premiere outright refuses to load keyboard shortcuts if it doesn't recognize the keyboard layout.

[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_2137

[1] https://jankarres.de/2013/07/windows-tastaturlayout-unter-ma...

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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> When a user logged into a voice room closes the DISCORD application window by clicking on the "X" icon at the top right of the window in Microsoft Windows, they actually just put the application in the background and stay logged into the voice room. However, in Microsoft Windows, clicking on the "X" at the top right of the last visible application window will exit the application for the vast majority of applicatio…

Why do apps think it is necessary to start playing with the UI when we have a minimise button? When I click "X" I expect the application to exit as it did in Windows 1.0 and the minimise button to either put it in the startbar or the status bar but keep running. EDIT: I remembered incorrectly, Windows 1.0 did not have a X button but a close button on the right side of the window.

Apps minimizing to systray when their main window is closed have existed since at least Windows 95/98. Yahoo! Messenger and probably AOL did the same thing 25 years ago.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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post #41
post #29

Props to the EU for keeping data giants accountable. It is a shame the data protection authorities only have resources to process so many companies, unfortunately, many get away with much more harm to user privacy.

In this case the fine has nothing to do with keeping data secured.

1. Failure to define and respect a data retention period appropriate to the purpose

2. Failure to comply with the obligation to provide information

3. Failure to ensure the security of personal data

4. Failure to carry out a data protection impact assessment

While not a direct security breach investigation, these have high impact on user data. (edit: formatting)

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not fond of regulatory agencies defining what constitutes an acceptable password policy. Also, regulatory agencies mandating UI designs - while in this case fairly innocuous - leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

How is this UI design? Wouldn't this fall under UX or just basic functionality? I press X, program close. If I want it minimized I press the minimize button.

The classic use case is minimize to tray vs minimize to taskbar. Winamp even had these two different modes in like 1999.

Re: Discord fined €800k for failing to comply with several obligations of the GDPR

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I quit Discord with Cmd-Q, does Alt-F4 not do the right thing on Windows? I think the expectation of Windows users is that the X does in fact quit the application, so they don't reach for Alt-F4 the same way Mac users reach for Cmd-Q when they want to quit an application. Basing this on the common complaint of "Why does the application still stay in the Dock after I close it?" from Windows to Mac switchers.

Plenty of Windows applications continue running in background by default after pressing X. It's so widespread that I'd say it's the expected behavior for anything that has a tray icon (Discord does). Most apps that are designed to run in background behave like that by default - media players, torrent clients, sync and backup programs, communication apps, even VMs.

Judging by the amount of garbage I usually see in the tray for "regular" Windows users, I'm not sure if they actually understand it.
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