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I voted "no" but honestly it depends entirely on the job market. It's amazing how low your standards go when you're jobless and have a family to feed. Back in 2008 I took a job with a founder I'd describe as a Mini-Elon and it really sucked, but what sucks more is living in your car.
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Well, well, speak of gaslighting. The twitter employees have been hostile to him since before him buying this dumpster fire was ever a rumor. People are almost exclusively talking about his politics. Unless I report to him directly his management style is hardly my problem. Even if it is directly, well.. honestly don't find that stressful either. If he is being a stupid idiot I'd tell him just that, have in the past.…
> If management is not living in reality part of the gig is to push back That's exactly what is happening
And please, I beg you, don't give me a tirade about politics or offensive tweets. I am not interested.
If Elon has wrong notions about spambots, checkmarks, which datastore to use, project deadline estimations - great, sounds like every company ever. He probably does, so what. And if I put you in charge you probably will drift away from reality in short order.
All you can do is push back and say stuff like: 'actually it will take x7 your estimates because of these concrete reasons' or 'that spam algo won't fix it because you haven't considered x,y,z here is statistical proof'.
Otherwise nucleus will get behind schedule: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddTbNKWw7Zs
If nobody believes you or listens, well you are on the record. Who cares. Maybe you get fired maybe you get promoted.
Twitter has been languishing anyway there is really nothing to lose by giving it a proper go. Sounds like fun to me actually.
All the whiners seem to be able to talk about is everything except, you know, the actual work.
Honestly the whiners can just bail already, quit the company and the website. Go to Mastodon and stop caring. Life is short.
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Those are the same thing. His management style involves publicly berating his employees over twitter, insulting his own company, and firing on a whim. Nah, I'll pass. There are so many better run companies out there, I'm here to work not babysit the CEO.
Whom is babysitting whom? You're unlikely to ever meet the CEO, he is unlikely to know who you are. > Nah, I'll pass. There are so many better run companies out there Than Twitter? No kidding! Well, pass. Just say that. I still don't get why you care what he (or anyone) tweets, but hey, horses for courses. Personally I have accepted chaos into my heart. It seems to follow no matter where I go. So long as the cheques…
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What if freedom of discourse was more important than spaceships or electric cars or solar panels? I think it is. My guess is Elon does too.
Elon has completely failed to communicate what he means by "freedom of discourse". Judged by his actions so far it seems like it means "mostly the same as Twitter's existing policies, but you can't impersonate people and you especially can't impersonate Elon". Which seems like it's less freedom than before(?) It honestly seems like he hasn't thought about the problem deeply enough to have a coherent vision here. We'l…
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I value money a lot more than I did two decades ago. Two decades ago I was a young, “fight the system”, James Dean want-to-be. Now I have a family, mortgage, and the kids need braces. And my water heater is making weird sounds.
I don't think any of that justifies anything except in thevery short term. You gotta do what you gotta do sometimes, but not for life. Your family would rather have their dad than their dads paycheck. It doesn't require 120hours of hell at work just to secure food and shelter. Why do I care? Everyone who is willing to abase themselves and suffer abuse makes the world suck more for everyone else who would demand a lit…
For example, if I found myself being pushed into “voluntary” meditation sessions where I chant “I am not me but, We™” I’d be out of there fast.
Or if my boss wanted me to do something horribly unethical like provide fine grained tracking data for users.
But AFAIK Tesla, SpaceX, Boring Company, etc. are pretty typical in regards to work life balance, pay, etc.
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Whom is babysitting whom? You're unlikely to ever meet the CEO, he is unlikely to know who you are. > Nah, I'll pass. There are so many better run companies out there Than Twitter? No kidding! Well, pass. Just say that. I still don't get why you care what he (or anyone) tweets, but hey, horses for courses. Personally I have accepted chaos into my heart. It seems to follow no matter where I go. So long as the cheques…
Yes, babysit the CEO. He clearly can't handle critical feedback, which means everyone has to bend over backwards to avoid hurting his feelings. That has impacts all the way down the chain. Who wants to work for such a fragile leader?
Today, no way. Maybe 2 decades ago when I was a teenager and valued money way more. But regardless of his business outcomes, I'm not going to ever work for a manchild throwing public tantrums, who can't be criticised for valid reasons. His decision making process of throwing stuff and seeing what sticks is also something I don't want to deal with every day at work. Life's too short to be a dictator's puppet.
I value money a lot more than I did two decades ago. Two decades ago I was a young, “fight the system”, James Dean want-to-be. Now I have a family, mortgage, and the kids need braces. And my water heater is making weird sounds.
For software engineers this is often simple to achieve.
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Elon has completely failed to communicate what he means by "freedom of discourse". Judged by his actions so far it seems like it means "mostly the same as Twitter's existing policies, but you can't impersonate people and you especially can't impersonate Elon". Which seems like it's less freedom than before(?) It honestly seems like he hasn't thought about the problem deeply enough to have a coherent vision here. We'l…
I’m glad he’s giving it a shot. No idea if it will work, but I am quite sure that progress as a species is dependent on a culture of open conjecture and criticism. Old Twitter was trending the other way imo, esp when it came to working with the government to decide what was true or not.
If Elon can solve that he truly is a genius. So far no Internet forum has managed to achieve anything but that trade-off.
Today: hard no When I was in my thirties: possibly When I was in my twenties: hard yes (I've since read some other comments and money is not the issue; the chance to work on something possibly world changing [Musk's Application X] is the issue).
But working at Twitter isn’t a chance to change the world. It’s a chance to do the same stuff I’ve done I’ve done a million times before, but with worse pay, worse culture, and an asshole CEO.
And I never was a fanboy, I just worked myself at Meta for almost 4 years and this is literally what I would do if (god forbid lol) I’d be given a chance to take over as a CEO. Let go of 50-70% of slackers or just people doing random shit and shut down some ridiculous orgs. Make sure everybody understands the culture changed. And then proceed in a more normal fashion.
If you haven’t been at Meta/Goog, it’s really hard to believe how bad is it there. There’re even memes like “rest and vest”. In a normal starup, people like that would be goners very quickly. In these large bloated money-corrupted orgs with no critical oversight on many layers you can survive literally for years doing literally close to nothing if you built a good enough initial rep.
Not saying all the engineers/folks he fired are like that, of course. But I’m pretty sure a lot are. And having worked in the company for many years is actually a negative signal here from that perspective. Because old-timers may have a lot of internal cred not necessarily based on their most recent accomplishments.
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