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Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by recuter »

vitno wrote: post #35
recuter wrote: post #24

> I couldn’t help but wonder if any engineers would actually work for this guy going forward and why? Why not? I like money. I don't care about his politics. Or yours. It is called work not daycare for adults. My self esteem is also not wrapped up in the recognition of my peers or whomever I "report" to. Edit: I like how people are downvoting because I answered the wrong way in an open poll. What a bunch of brats. Ma…

Nobody is talking about his politics. They are talking about his management style.

Well, well, speak of gaslighting. The twitter employees have been hostile to him since before him buying this dumpster fire was ever a rumor. People are almost exclusively talking about his politics.

Unless I report to him directly his management style is hardly my problem. Even if it is directly, well.. honestly don't find that stressful either. If he is being a stupid idiot I'd tell him just that, have in the past. Sometimes, folks like that are even appreciative of the candid feedback.

What is the worst that can happen, I get fired? Please. At worst it isn't a fit, I honestly don't get the big deal and people get so emotionally invested in this stuff.

I get hired to problem solve. If management is not living in reality part of the gig is to push back. Don't value my input we can part amicably, it is only a gig, not life and death.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by uxp100 »

bluedevilzn wrote: post #23

At Elon’s companies working hard is a requirement but you don’t get rewarded in return. Tesla/SpaceX pays peanuts despite Tesla’s outsized stock returns. If you believe in the mission, that’d be the only reason to join.

I have to imagine Tesla does RSUs though right? So engineers are doing great over a 5 year timeline.

When I knew people at Tesla they were real fanboys of the car, which isn’t a bad thing, but if you’re trying to hire, like, ISO26262 certification experts I’d focus on paying a few experts well. The 24 year old fanboys can do the grunt work, but some well paid experts need to lead that process, and I doubt they’ll be that motivated by wanting to work for fast car guy.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by conradfr »

skymast wrote: post #54

I would work for him, I would take a cut in pay to work for him. He is a visionary, and visionaries are not always easy to get along with, or anticipate but they do get things done. would you have worked for Da Vinci? Or the original Tesla? I would have worked for them for free.

Do you think Twitter Blue was visionary?

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by tdehnel »

the_only_law wrote: post #68
tdehnel wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have 2 friends who work for Elon (in meetings with him regularly). You can disagree with the man. It’s allowed. You better be standing on solid ground through because the man is smart. Also, I cannot think of many bosses who you could publicly disagree with on Twitter where being fired isn’t a likely outcome.

> You better be standing on solid ground through because the man is smart. You act as if this makes him some untouchable gods. Recent events should have made it very clear that “smart” people can act like bigger idiots than your average idiot.

Recent HN threads have also made this clear to me.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by largepeepee »

bentt wrote: post #52

To be honest, I was a fan and explained away every offense he has made to date UNTIL he fired the Twitter Android app engineer publicly on Twitter. I felt that this engineer was engaging Elon about the problems at hand in a way that was admirable considering the circumstances. It was like the engineer knew he was falling on the sword, but at the same time was rational in his explanations of the current state of the a…

Kinda reminds me of the ex-google engineer Damore case back in 2017.

Except Damore never did it publicly but it was leaked to the press anyway.

And anyone taking public adversarial stances against their bosses rarely last.

Corporations on general are ran like dictatorships, with few exceptions.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by PestoDiRucola »

tdehnel wrote: post #65
pavlov wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also can't think of many bosses who would publicly disparage your work on Twitter to pressure you to work longer hours.

Those are the conditions though. Your options are to work for him or not. What else are you going to do? Complain about it on HN? For what?

Those are not the conditions Twitter employees signed for when they started working for Twitter.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by lawn »

No.

His companies don't pay well.

Employees are cogs in a wheel to him, resources to exploited as much as possible.

He's a psychopath/sociopath.

He doesn't allow remote work.

I don't like his companies (well, SpaceX maybe).

I don't believe in his visions or his random outbursts.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by recuter »

phailhaus wrote: post #30
recuter wrote: post #24

> I couldn’t help but wonder if any engineers would actually work for this guy going forward and why? Why not? I like money. I don't care about his politics. Or yours. It is called work not daycare for adults. My self esteem is also not wrapped up in the recognition of my peers or whomever I "report" to. Edit: I like how people are downvoting because I answered the wrong way in an open poll. What a bunch of brats. Ma…

Pretty sure it's not his politics that are the problem, but his chaotic management style.

Well go write Cobol at a bank. Or play office politics and write another pointless chat app that gets canceled.

What is wrong with a bit of chaos from time to time? I thought this was hacker news, I thought you guys like startups..

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by divided »

lr4444lr wrote: post #45
divided wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect your choice and to each their own, but to characterize Elon as a wartime CEO when he’s caused 80% of the crisis is a very generous characterization. His “leadership” thus far has been sporadic, ill thought out, and reckless.

I dunno where you come up with that number. Twitter was in real straits with investors compared with other companies in its class well before Musk was even on its radar. Two activist shareholder coups later and ousting of Dorsey, lackluster profits in good times, plenty of its own culture war scandals despite people piling on FB... can't pin that on Musk.

The peer comment to mine by dragontamer sums it up better than I could.

I’m not saying problems didn’t exist before Elon, but Musk has been a net negative for the company who thus far has only managed to make a bad situation worse.

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