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Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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Post by HideousKojima »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #356
flo123456 wrote: post #270

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Interesting. I’m germany we love paper but amazon returns work without the need to print a label at home.

In Austria you do need to print the label. How dos returning without a label work? I mean how does the post know where to ship the package?

At least in the US, Amazon has arrangements with major shipping companies like UPS and FedEx. So if you want to return something, Amazon says "Bring the item to your local UPS store and have them scan this QR code." The QR code gives UPS the shipping information it needs.

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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Post by Mr_Modulo »

mattferderer wrote: post #331
jmbwell wrote: post #116

Years ago, I worked at a place that attempted this. They were so giddy about it. There wasn’t even a known leak, or, arguably, anything particularly worth leaking. They were just tickled by the idea that they could gotcha anyone who tried to leak something. Then, as now, it strikes me as little more than sad and paranoid Tom Clancy cosplay. I’d like to say I’ve moved on to a place with a culture of trust and faithful…

Curious if anyone realized this early & either: * tried to sabotage other employees at random by modifying their letter & leaking it * tried to sabotage a specific employee by getting their unique copy & leaking it The risk/reward for a company here seems very poor. I would imagine this blows up in the face of the company often.

If you can get a copy from another employee then they are in trouble for not securing private communications.

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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Post by whatwherewhy »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #349
lake_vincent wrote: post #338

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Indeed. For example, Musk fancies himself a champion of "hard work" but what he fails to realize is that humans have not actually merged with robots yet, and we still have human needs. If innovation and brilliant thinking are part of your brand, you actually get higher quality work, sustained over a longer period of time, if you actually back off on the whip-cracking and just give people what they need to produce gre…

Maybe he realizes that, and is just a jackass.

Where are the nice bosses of top tech companies? Maybe that's how you build a big tech company.

Re: Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks

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Post by dang »

dekhn wrote: post #337
dang wrote: post #319

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Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments, e.g. snark, putdowns, and swipes? You've been doing it repeatedly and we've asked you not to, repeatedly. No one is saying you owe billionaire CEOs better but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You haven't asked me repeatedly to stop doing this. It's the first time. I see far worse crap from other users all the time. It kind of looks like you're protecting paulg and elon from criticism. You did shut my account down previously but it was determined you were mistaken.

There were at least these occasions:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30249117 (Feb 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29895865 (Jan 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29346858 (Nov 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17682627 (Aug 2018)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7668442 (April 2014)

Since you replied to most of those, I assume you saw them.

> You did shut my account down previously but it was determined you were mistaken.

We weren't mistaken. We rate limited your account correctly because you were breaking the site guidelines. I removed the rate limit because you emailed and asked us, and because at that point I looked at your recent history and it seemed your comments had been fine for a while.

When we take a rate limit off, and then an account reverts to its old guidelines-breaking habits, we put the rate limit back on. Please fix this so we don't have to. It's nothing personal—we're just trying to protect the forum from poisoning itself.

This has zero to do with protecting any famous individual from criticism—if you or anyone else doubts this, just do some comment searches using HN Search (there's a search box at bottom of each page here) and you'll soon disabuse yourself of that illusion.

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Post by Goronmon »

whatwherewhy wrote: post #363
jjtheblunt wrote: post #349

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Maybe he realizes that, and is just a jackass.

Where are the nice bosses of top tech companies? Maybe that's how you build a big tech company.

I think there is a middle area between being a "nice boss" and being a boss who calls out internal engineering implementation concerns (rightly or not) on Twitter. And then fire people who disagree in a response.

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Post by kernal »

d23 wrote: post #58

Twitter 2.0 will need to be “extremely hardcore.” Truly a visionary.

I consider the removal of wine on tap extremely hardcore. Imagine rolling into the Twitter office at 10 am and not being able to fill your 2L Yeti mug with complimentary tap wine before the start of your day.

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Post by giantrobot »

memish wrote: post #235
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> The comments I respond to are not cogent critiques. They are kneejerk mob hate bandwagoning that are anti-success, anti-progress and anti-humanity. It's sad.

What's sad is seeing every critique of Musk as "anti-success, anti-progress and anti-humanity" or some sort of derangement against him. That is just absurd.

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Post by tsol »

mhh__ wrote: post #206
moron4hire wrote: post #115

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It is also possible he's just a lunatic who fired an innocent person.

Or lying. When you are rich or famous people or in vogue socially let you get away with these stories e.g. Consider feynmans "I'm modest but look at my genius"-isms

Yeah exactly. My thought was he probably found the leaker in a much more mundane way, but being undeniably great at PR he decided to spice up the story with this little bit of detective work. It sounds so clever you want to believe it, even if it's pretty impractical(not impossible though!). You know what they say, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

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Post by htgb »

rapsey wrote: post #355
lake_vincent wrote: post #338

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Indeed. For example, Musk fancies himself a champion of "hard work" but what he fails to realize is that humans have not actually merged with robots yet, and we still have human needs. If innovation and brilliant thinking are part of your brand, you actually get higher quality work, sustained over a longer period of time, if you actually back off on the whip-cracking and just give people what they need to produce gre…

To produce great work you also need some pressure. Otherwise people will get real lazy very quickly.

Counterpoint: open source software, of which there are many great works without anyone being forced or pressured into making it. There are many more ways of getting motivation than applying "some pressure". Indeed, people are inherently curious and motivated, but it can easily be suppressed by environmental factors. In particular "stick and carrot"-type reward systems.

For a (much more) elaborate expansion on this, see the book Drive by Daniel H. Pink.

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Post by daveslash »

myself248 wrote: post #222
gmjosack wrote: post #213

~10 years ago I discovered Google doing steganography and their e-mails by accident. I was searching gmail for an e-mail message using a word I knew was definitely in the message but it was not being found. Eventually I found the e-mail and confirmed the word was definitely there. Ctrl+F and type the word, it's not found. Turned out there were random Cyrillic characters mixed through the message. Confirmed with other…

> discovered Google doing steganography and their e-mails by accident discovered by accident that Google was doing steganography in their e-mails

Frankly, I like the idea that they were accidentally performing steganography.
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