Years ago, I worked at a place that attempted this. They were so giddy about it. There wasn’t even a known leak, or, arguably, anything particularly worth leaking. They were just tickled by the idea that they could gotcha anyone who tried to leak something. Then, as now, it strikes me as little more than sad and paranoid Tom Clancy cosplay. I’d like to say I’ve moved on to a place with a culture of trust and faithful…
Stick the email into Google Translate, translate to Spanish and back, correcting any major mis-translations and Juan is your uncle .
Tesla has used space characters in internal emails to identify leaks
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#342Years ago, I worked at a place that attempted this. They were so giddy about it. There wasn’t even a known leak, or, arguably, anything particularly worth leaking. They were just tickled by the idea that they could gotcha anyone who tried to leak something. Then, as now, it strikes me as little more than sad and paranoid Tom Clancy cosplay. I’d like to say I’ve moved on to a place with a culture of trust and faithful…
Yet I can't really fault a company for trying to hold people accountable for breaking their terms of employment.
If the secrets being guarded are life or death for the company, then some extra measures may be appropriate. But if they're normal corporate "secrets" the harms of enforcement will be worse than a leak.
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Data exfiltration is an extremely dangerous risk in the world of corporate espionage, especially for a company like Tesla that is trying to be first to market with something as massive as FSD. There is no way I would send anything to an external print shop from company equipment; they are almost certainly on top of that as well.
This has gotten me genuinely curious, I wonder what the safest way to get a document like that onto your own device is. Printing it on a work printer doesn't seem ideal, but I don't really know what the best approach is. Maybe emailing it to an outside address or sharing it as a document via Dropbox or similar? Copying to physical storage? All of those seem fairly easy to monitor as well though. If any infosec expert…
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#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
Data exfiltration is an extremely dangerous risk in the world of corporate espionage, especially for a company like Tesla that is trying to be first to market with something as massive as FSD. There is no way I would send anything to an external print shop from company equipment; they are almost certainly on top of that as well.
This has gotten me genuinely curious, I wonder what the safest way to get a document like that onto your own device is. Printing it on a work printer doesn't seem ideal, but I don't really know what the best approach is. Maybe emailing it to an outside address or sharing it as a document via Dropbox or similar? Copying to physical storage? All of those seem fairly easy to monitor as well though. If any infosec expert…
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#345~10 years ago I discovered Google doing steganography and their e-mails by accident. I was searching gmail for an e-mail message using a word I knew was definitely in the message but it was not being found. Eventually I found the e-mail and confirmed the word was definitely there. Ctrl+F and type the word, it's not found. Turned out there were random Cyrillic characters mixed through the message. Confirmed with other…
What's the context of this? Were/are you a Googler and this was in internal emails? Or was this just emails Google sends to customers? (I'm choosing to assume that this isn't about random emails other people send to Gmail addresses, that Google just messes with this way.)
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Yep. The story as Musk tells it, and as goes viral every couple of months, is a lie.
Where has Musk told the story?
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#347What's the best process to strip these hidden characters? Is the an app, or web service that will "clean" the copy?
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I love this story about Agloe, New York - a "copyright trap" that materialised into a real place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agloe,_New_York When another map maker put the actual settlement on their maps, the original publishers cried foul, but then discovered Agloe had become real!
Agloe anagram of legal
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#349Years ago, I worked at a place that attempted this. They were so giddy about it. There wasn’t even a known leak, or, arguably, anything particularly worth leaking. They were just tickled by the idea that they could gotcha anyone who tried to leak something. Then, as now, it strikes me as little more than sad and paranoid Tom Clancy cosplay. I’d like to say I’ve moved on to a place with a culture of trust and faithful…
Indeed. For example, Musk fancies himself a champion of "hard work" but what he fails to realize is that humans have not actually merged with robots yet, and we still have human needs. If innovation and brilliant thinking are part of your brand, you actually get higher quality work, sustained over a longer period of time, if you actually back off on the whip-cracking and just give people what they need to produce gre…
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I never said to leave him alone or that he's a hero or that he's the only one driving humanity forward or that he's perfect. Sometimes he's an asshole. Sometimes he's an idiot. He's flawed like every human. Your childish cult-like "spaceman bad" programming and angry projection of your daddy issues says more about you than anyone.