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Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by nextparadigms »

darrenkopp wrote: post #21
nextparadigms wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought I'd throw this in here, too. These are the sponsors of SOPA and PIPA, and how much they received for it: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111203/00494716961/some-d...

That's awesome, now we just need to figure out who the companies were. Thanks for that link.

Well there's this list of companies "supporting" SOPA, but I suspect the biggest donors were the Hollywood studios and the music labels:

http://www.webpronews.com/a-list-of-sopa-supporting-companie...

Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by darrenkopp »

gospelwut wrote: post #28
darrenkopp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a perfect world, paying them salary would hopefully make them ignore individuals/companies offering them donations in exchange for favorable legislation because they already were making a good wage. In the real world, it's just a $261,000 bonus.

They horde money for campaign (ads). The notion that they are doing a Scrooge McDuck in taxpayer money is generally false. I'm not putting the onus on the taxpayer, but attack ads and the like are extremely effective and... expensive. Their number one goal is to get (re)elected and money=>ads is the most effective way to do it. Standing on principle and making articulated arguments just polarizes.

I get what you are saying, but Congress has had a salary longer than attack ads.

Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by InclinedPlane »

davidw wrote: post #22
darrenkopp wrote: post #5

During that time we should compile a list of all representatives that support this bill and any/all donations and from whom those donations came from to support this bill. When the money trail is out in the open, I think both the representatives and the donors may be more timid about pushing forward against an unpopular bill like this.

sopahitlist.com is available. Perhaps it's too violent sounding, so better ideas are welcome. It'd be a list of SOPA supporters in Congress, and encouragement for their constituents to call in and say something, and/or vote for the other guy at the next election.

sopashame.com?

Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by jberryman »

maeon3 wrote: post #11

I hope they don't pull a "1913" and pass the bill on Christmas day like they did with the federal reserve act, legislation which caused the great depression and the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis and leaves us about 15 digits in debt here today. sopa is kind of like that. Replacing free market currency/internet with regulated currency/internet.

I don't think it's really like that.

Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by tommi »

shadowfiend wrote: post #20
tommi wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they are not willing to listen to reason, my support is out the window immediately. I think supporting SOPA proves that they are not willing to listen to reason.

There's no evidence why that would be sufficient proof. They may have different values than you and still consider things reasonable within their framework of values. Then you have to decide whether disagreeing with you on this particular value balance is enough to lose your vote in the context of their other values.

I do appreciate that to fully understand a situation you must look it from all angles. But what is the kind of evidence you are looking for?

Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by shadowfiend »

tommi wrote: post #35
shadowfiend wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no evidence why that would be sufficient proof. They may have different values than you and still consider things reasonable within their framework of values. Then you have to decide whether disagreeing with you on this particular value balance is enough to lose your vote in the context of their other values.

I do appreciate that to fully understand a situation you must look it from all angles. But what is the kind of evidence you are looking for?

I can't say for sure. It would depend on the particular line of reasoning of the congressperson, and how that changes depending on what they do or do not learn about the technical infrastructure from talking with me.

Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by mannymanifesto »

Bobby_Tables wrote: post #17

Lamar Smith needs to be sent a very clear message, in the form of a landslide defeat in the next election to someone along the lines of Darrell Issa. What would it take to make that happen? How do we (the tech community) recruit someone that has the poise and fundraising ability to win an election? What do we do once we find someone? Smith seems to be Public Enemy #1 on this issue, and I believe he represents a part…

It would seem like Lamar Smith is hell bent on killing innovation, entrepreneurship and a major source of job creation not only in the U.S but more specifically in his own district.

His district is close to many Austin and San Antonio startups including companies like Rackspace, not sure whether they are within his district or fairly close but the impact would be felt.

Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by chris_gogreen »

wavephorm wrote: post #2

Is there a list of representatives that support this bill anywhere? Just so voters know which people and political parties to never vote for again.

The list is here, someone else added it first in another comment.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111203/00494716961/some-d...

Re: SOPA Hearings Delayed, 140,000 Americans watched the hearings

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Post by intellection »

davidw wrote: post #22
darrenkopp wrote: post #5

During that time we should compile a list of all representatives that support this bill and any/all donations and from whom those donations came from to support this bill. When the money trail is out in the open, I think both the representatives and the donors may be more timid about pushing forward against an unpopular bill like this.

sopahitlist.com is available. Perhaps it's too violent sounding, so better ideas are welcome. It'd be a list of SOPA supporters in Congress, and encouragement for their constituents to call in and say something, and/or vote for the other guy at the next election.

sopashield.com?

sopasavior(s).com?

sopasentinel.com?

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