why would a company agree to pay the same salary for fewer hours of custody? it reminds me of the macchiavelli quote: > “How we live is so different from how we ought to live that he who studies what ought to be done rather than what is done will learn the way to his downfall rather than to his preservation.” productivity study is interesting but that's not how the real world incentives are aligned.
Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days
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Re: Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days
#12why would a company agree to pay the same salary for fewer hours of custody? it reminds me of the macchiavelli quote: > “How we live is so different from how we ought to live that he who studies what ought to be done rather than what is done will learn the way to his downfall rather than to his preservation.” productivity study is interesting but that's not how the real world incentives are aligned.
Of course, it means that you are actually working more hours than what hourly workers do but on the flip side no one can tell you anything if you disconnect for an hour in the middle.
Re: Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but Fire fighting for 4 days > Fire fighting for 5 days.
Also stress free for 4 days > stress free for 5 days.
Re: Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days
#14This won't be valid for everyone, but I'm getting more and more convinced that most (a lot of?) people don't "work" work 40 hours anyway. I'm not even mentally capable of doing 40 intense hours of focussed work. Not saying I don't have other tasks besides coding/thinking in that time, but honestly not for the full slot of time. It just feels to me like some sort of secret we all share and pretend like it's fine, but…
Even years ago when I was in the office, everyone would go on insanely long lunch breaks on Friday instead. If you work an office job, I can assure you that the number of people actually working on Friday is statistically irrelevant.
Re: Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days
#15why would a company agree to pay the same salary for fewer hours of custody? it reminds me of the macchiavelli quote: > “How we live is so different from how we ought to live that he who studies what ought to be done rather than what is done will learn the way to his downfall rather than to his preservation.” productivity study is interesting but that's not how the real world incentives are aligned.
Re: Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days
#16why would a company agree to pay the same salary for fewer hours of custody? it reminds me of the macchiavelli quote: > “How we live is so different from how we ought to live that he who studies what ought to be done rather than what is done will learn the way to his downfall rather than to his preservation.” productivity study is interesting but that's not how the real world incentives are aligned.
Once you have the answer to that question, the answer to your question seems very straightforward.
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#17This won't be valid for everyone, but I'm getting more and more convinced that most (a lot of?) people don't "work" work 40 hours anyway. I'm not even mentally capable of doing 40 intense hours of focussed work. Not saying I don't have other tasks besides coding/thinking in that time, but honestly not for the full slot of time. It just feels to me like some sort of secret we all share and pretend like it's fine, but…
> In October, the average workweek for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls was 34.5 hours for the fifth month in a row.
Re: Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days
#18This won't be valid for everyone, but I'm getting more and more convinced that most (a lot of?) people don't "work" work 40 hours anyway. I'm not even mentally capable of doing 40 intense hours of focussed work. Not saying I don't have other tasks besides coding/thinking in that time, but honestly not for the full slot of time. It just feels to me like some sort of secret we all share and pretend like it's fine, but…
What if at least part of the 20% is spent doing social activities, water cooler conversations, etc. that enable the remaining 80% to flow more efficiently?
Re: Companies ran an experiment: Pay workers their full salary to work fewer days
#19The benefits for the employee are pretty obvious, but there are also many benefits for the company:
- Staff are more productive (for previous pilots: output almost always hits 100%)
- Job listings get (way) more applications
- Staff are happier
- Staff are healthier i.e. off sick less
- It's better for the environment
- Staff turnover reduces
- It attracts experienced candidates
- Costs reduce
- It's better for gender equality
Most of these companies on the site offer 100% salary, some offer 80% (but I hope to remove these in the future)
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#20This won't be valid for everyone, but I'm getting more and more convinced that most (a lot of?) people don't "work" work 40 hours anyway. I'm not even mentally capable of doing 40 intense hours of focussed work. Not saying I don't have other tasks besides coding/thinking in that time, but honestly not for the full slot of time. It just feels to me like some sort of secret we all share and pretend like it's fine, but…
White collar work, is of course, way worse. There is a lot of slack time in between tasks and meetings and so on.
So during those 40 hours, let's say a person delivers 100 work units. If we were to say, from now on you only have to work 32 hours, some people will still deliver 100 work units, but many will deliver an approximation to 80 work units. Many people will automatically adjust. People have a "pace of work" that is like breathing.