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Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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A related thing Brewster didn't mention: When libraries "buy" ebooks from publishers, what they're actually buying is a license to lend the ebook a fixed number of times. For example, after a library lends a HarperCollins ebook 26 times, it disappears from the library's virtual shelf until it's purchased again. A hardcover physical book by comparison will typically last for 30 - 100 checkouts before it becomes too wo…

> A hardcover physical book by comparison will typically last for 30 - 100 checkouts before it becomes too worn out. Is this the real range? Intuitively, it seems low, but I have no idea. I remember those "Due date" tables in books from my childhood, with what must have been at least a couple of dozen rows...

Hm, I worked at a national library during my university years, for some extra cash and free access to the more silent part of the building.

State/National libraries in Europe often work on a "required (free) copy" aspect: publishers are required to provide the national library with a free copy of any book they publish. This makes them huge, but it also makes them have all kinds of books of different quality, both content-wise and built-quality-wise.

Most books are never checked out. Those that are get checked out rarely (unless the book is incredibly influential or some professor makes them required reading for their course). 30-100 checkouts may translate to 20-60 years of being in library circulation. But those are mostly spent sitting on a dry shelf, when no damage to the book occurs during normal operation (e.g. no fire / no water damage).

30-100 checkouts, each for two weeks (with the option to extend another two week) spells 1-6 years the book will live with other people - and here is where things happen. Books are transported FROM the library to houses and flats (often in containers that are not very good for the purpose, think backpacks, canvas bags - often leading to shear to the pages and stress on the binding). They are put in environmental conditions that differ vastly (extreme cold in winter. High humidity). Individual pages are being turned and worked on, creating stress on the binding. People have coffee cups that fall, and pet cats that urinate. Pages sometimes rip. People also have kids with crayons. They themselves have text markers and pencils. They may overstretch the binding, to "make the book lay flat", or read in bed, or in the bathtub. And eventually, they bring the book back.

Of course, the lady who takes the book in will do a quick check on whether the book is in an acceptable state - but she has no idea how it looked when we lent it out. In the bad cases (again: cats urinate), the book is immediately discarded and replaced with a new copy if possible. For less bad cases, damage still creeps in and accumulates. And eventually, glue will give in, pages will become loose, the book will fall apart.

Compare that to the privately-owned book, which is often bought, read once or twice, and lives on a shelf for the rest of it's existence. That one also gets damages, but they don't count up that much.

National and University libraries often have contract or in-house bookbinders who will repair a damaged book, which means removing the cover, and rebinding the book into a "library binding" - that often comes with a more sturdy cover or - with softcover books - a thick plastic film over the cover. Many libraries also clip the edges of softcover book to make them rounder, which increases longevity. But ultimately, there is no more thing to fix.

I think 30 checkouts is a good estimate for most softcover books in public libraries, 100 being on the high-end, high-maintenance, highly-invested national library end.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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I used to work in a fine & rare book room at a library. The kind of thing behind a lock & key, climate controlled, you need to apply for permission to look at anything and you're monitored while you do it.

The entire year I was there no one ever used it. To actually access the materials you'd have to travel to our specific library.

Meanwhile, I can go to a site of digital books like https://www.manuscriptsonline.org/ and see the entire British Library Catalogue of Illuminated Manuscripts...something I wouldn't actually ever be allowed to do with the physical books.

But the post is pretty misleading it says

> Our paper books have lasted hundreds of years on our shelves and are still readable. Without active maintenance, we will be lucky if our digital books last a decade.

But every library I've been at also has active maintenance for their physical books! They control the humidity, they check for water leaks, they look for pests. Nobody is throwing 100+ year old books into an aluminium shed.

Also, I now live in a country where I don't speak the local language especially fluently, so reading books published here is less fun. Importing physical books in my native language is extremely expensive, since books aren't especially light. Shipping is often close to the price of the book itself. And delivery usually takes weeks, anyway.

Digital books actually are available to most of the world in a way that physical books aren't.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HTML, XML, and ZIP files aren't going anywhere I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those go out of use in a few hundred years, if not much earlier. There will probably be major conversion efforts going on at some point. The alternative, the above formats being maintained for eternity, would be somehow depressing.

I looked up those formats and they are all around 30 years old, which is insane for technology and around when Windows 3.1 and Mac OS 7 were released. So maybe they will stay... They are all-but deprecated though: HTML 1.0 is much different from HTML5 (2014); XML is upgraded to XML 1.1 (2004) and most people use JSON nowadays; and ZIP is very inferior to gzip and 7-zip. We're lucky web browsers are strict with never…

HTML1 [1] isn’t that different, it’s mostly just a much smaller subset.

[1] https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Internet Archive? Copyright, of course. The fact the Internet Archive hasn't been sued out of existence yet never ceases to amaze me.

> The fact the Internet Archive hasn't been sued out of existence yet never ceases to amaze me. Because it's a library. If you happen to be lucky enough to go there and meet the people running it, it's very clear they are librarians doing what librarians do.

While I cherish the sentiment I very much doubt it's shared by all content right holders and copyright lawyers. And it takes only a handful to disagree.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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I used to work in a fine & rare book room at a library. The kind of thing behind a lock & key, climate controlled, you need to apply for permission to look at anything and you're monitored while you do it. The entire year I was there no one ever used it. To actually access the materials you'd have to travel to our specific library. Meanwhile, I can go to a site of digital books like https://www.manuscriptsonline.org/…

> Our paper books have lasted hundreds of years on our shelves and are still readable

The ones that made it, obviously. Uncountable have been lost.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

#248
Even my very tattered vellum-bound copy of the writings of Seneca (in latin) dated 1643 (the year Isaac Newton was born) which I picked up for a few pence years ago is just about readable with the pages firmly attached to the spine. On the other hand my paperback copy of Roger Penrose's The Road to Reality (2004) is falling to bits with chunks of pages departing from the spine.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact the Internet Archive hasn't been sued out of existence yet never ceases to amaze me. Because it's a library. If you happen to be lucky enough to go there and meet the people running it, it's very clear they are librarians doing what librarians do.

While I cherish the sentiment I very much doubt it's shared by all content right holders and copyright lawyers. And it takes only a handful to disagree.

I think they put reasonable barriers to piracy. They are of course possible to circumvent, as every other barrier in existence, but you can also scan or make photocopies of a physical book. And this is actually a good thing. Mildly related: the other they I was watching something on Netflix on my phone and found something funny so I tried to take an screenshot to share with my friends, which quite frankly I think is fair use. It didn't work because it seems that although I paid for my phone, it's not really my phone.
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