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Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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You've never seen a paperback made in the 1960s-1990s? The paper is brittle and the pages are literally falling apart. You can't read paper where pieces of it have fallen off and disintegrated.

I have many paperbacks from the 1950s to the present day. Some of the really old ones are a little yellow around the edges, but brittle and falling apart? Never. I have no idea what you are talking about.

My shelf is full of scifi/fantasy paperbacks from 80s to late 90s. A lot of these have their binding already broken. This happens especially to small (cheap) format books of more than 500 pages.

No problems with small books of reasonable lengths. At some point the number of pages in the popular books exceeded the durability of the cheap binding tech in use.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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post #178

Terrible example, digital media can last far longer, under the same circumstances. Have a USB drive Hard Drive, or USB? Plug them in 10 to 15 years later, chances are, they will have far less damage than a book in all those years. It's an unfair comparison.

- Assuming the hardware does not change - Assuming the software does not change - Assuming the usb device is stored securely and lightly used. Bit rot is real

Need to store virtual machines with both the operating system and the reader/converter software included. There are lots of bits that can rot...

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

You could use a laser to burn bubbles into a Qwartz crystal, for longer lasting digital media.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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post #186

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> Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. While that was certainly true at one time, Unicode text, HTML, XML, and ZIP files aren't going anywhere (or there'll be a collapse of society so thorough that print books are unlikely to survive, either). EPUB books are basically XHTML and XML zipped up along with any external assets (e.g., images). There are nuance…

HTML isn't immune from broken backwards compatibility. The frame element has been completely removed, the hgroup element is gone, and so is the dir element. acronym is deprecated in favour of abbr. isindex, plaintext, xmp, and listing are all dead. The attributes border, clear, background and bgcolor have all been removed by HTML, and shifted to be CSS' responsibility instead. Just moving between EPUB 2 and EPUB 3, y…

Neither is "LaTeX"; but, like Latex and other text-based formats, the content of the document is, in general, human-readable when it's read, unlike, for example, jpeg images.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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A related thing Brewster didn't mention: When libraries "buy" ebooks from publishers, what they're actually buying is a license to lend the ebook a fixed number of times. For example, after a library lends a HarperCollins ebook 26 times, it disappears from the library's virtual shelf until it's purchased again. A hardcover physical book by comparison will typically last for 30 - 100 checkouts before it becomes too wo…

> A hardcover physical book by comparison will typically last for 30 - 100 checkouts before it becomes too worn out.

Is this the real range? Intuitively, it seems low, but I have no idea. I remember those "Due date" tables in books from my childhood, with what must have been at least a couple of dozen rows...

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

Use fb2, it was designed for archival purposes.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Ever try reading an ebook you paid for 10 years ago? Probably a different experience.

This question made me curious, and I took a look. The first Kindle book I ever bought was Shadow of a Dark Queen, by Raymond Feist, in December 2010. It still works just fine.

(Now I wish it had been something more intellectual and respectable. But no, the first four Kindle books I got were the four books of the Serpentwar Saga.)

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Is there a non-DRM format + an e-reader combo that allows for bookmarks, text selection, dictionary search? Ideally I would prefer to keep my Kindle but would really love to buy and own non-DRM books.

Kobo reader with Plato installed

Just the default OS already fits the bill.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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post #182

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> But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Internet Archive? Copyright, of course. The fact the Internet Archive hasn't been sued out of existence yet never ceases to amaze me.

Not for a lack of trying http://blog.archive.org/2022/07/08/internet-archive-seeks-su...

The latest On The Media episode did a segment on this lawsuit as well, starts at 21 mins.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/episodes/on-the-med...

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