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Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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This is a great example of how people in tech often get wrapped up in theory and just don’t junderstand how things work in practical reality. Yes, DRM sucks in theory, but in reality this is all rarely a problem. I got the original kindle a little over 15 years ago, and I can still open the books I bought back then on my new Kindle and read them just fine. And in another 15 years, I will probably still be able to rea…

> DRM sucks in theory, but in reality this is all rarely a problem. > And in another 15 years, I will probably still be able to read those books I bet the non-DRM books you bought on your kindle can also be opened 15 years later.

I'm willing to bet that .epubs will still be readable by the brain-computer interface all humans will be implanted with at birth in 100 years.

And there will be some trashy harlequin romance novel hipster fan club in 2122.

Code written in 1972 is emulate-able and readable today so we're halfway to the 100 year benchmark the article sets in its first sentence.

I have numerous books that are more than 100 years old. I am afraid to read them because they are fragile.

I am not afraid to emulate Magnavox Odyssey ROMs from 1972, and won't ever be.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

#182

Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

> But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Internet Archive? Copyright, of course. The fact the Internet Archive hasn't been sued out of existence yet never ceases to amaze me.

Not for a lack of trying

http://blog.archive.org/2022/07/08/internet-archive-seeks-su...

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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post #178

Terrible example, digital media can last far longer, under the same circumstances. Have a USB drive Hard Drive, or USB? Plug them in 10 to 15 years later, chances are, they will have far less damage than a book in all those years. It's an unfair comparison.

I have some books on CD-ROM. They have no damage, true...but good luck finding a computer with a CD-ROM drive now.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

> But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Internet Archive? Copyright, of course. The fact the Internet Archive hasn't been sued out of existence yet never ceases to amaze me.

> The fact the Internet Archive hasn't been sued out of existence yet never ceases to amaze me.

Because it's a library. If you happen to be lucky enough to go there and meet the people running it, it's very clear they are librarians doing what librarians do.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

#185

Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

IPFS, torrents

Yes, the tech exists, but not the follow through

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

> Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. While that was certainly true at one time, Unicode text, HTML, XML, and ZIP files aren't going anywhere (or there'll be a collapse of society so thorough that print books are unlikely to survive, either). EPUB books are basically XHTML and XML zipped up along with any external assets (e.g., images). There are nuance…

HTML isn't immune from broken backwards compatibility.

The frame element has been completely removed, the hgroup element is gone, and so is the dir element. acronym is deprecated in favour of abbr. isindex, plaintext, xmp, and listing are all dead.

The attributes border, clear, background and bgcolor have all been removed by HTML, and shifted to be CSS' responsibility instead.

Just moving between EPUB 2 and EPUB 3, you lose the DAISY format support, and external resources. (EPUB2 let you use full URLs to specify parts hosted externally, like webpages, but EPUB3 requires itself to be self-contained. Not a bad change, but still a breaking change.) NCX replaces just using a HTML5 nav element, and a few more things.

All of those things mean that there _are_ technical documents that exist, that _aren't_ readable without some effort to update them.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

#187

Many of the books I read as a kid would never have been read if they weren't a physical chunk of dead wood in front of my face, sitting on a book shelf. Now, as a full-ass adult with young kids, I usually buy books from Kindle. It's far more convenient to use the Kindle app on my phone. But there's a voice in the back of my head wondering if I'm doing my kids a disservice. They don't see me holding a big chunk of dea…

>I also feel like Kindle is setting up a situation where my kids won't have the joy of discovering a book, or author, serendipitously. When the books are just sitting there on a shelf (they were in my bedroom as a kid, basically just as overflow because we had too many in the house), it's easy to get bored and pick up a book. All the ebooks in the library (actually, all of the several library systems I have access to…

In other words, completely invisible.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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post #178

Terrible example, digital media can last far longer, under the same circumstances. Have a USB drive Hard Drive, or USB? Plug them in 10 to 15 years later, chances are, they will have far less damage than a book in all those years. It's an unfair comparison.

- Assuming the hardware does not change

- Assuming the software does not change

- Assuming the usb device is stored securely and lightly used.

Bit rot is real

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

#189

Many of the books I read as a kid would never have been read if they weren't a physical chunk of dead wood in front of my face, sitting on a book shelf. Now, as a full-ass adult with young kids, I usually buy books from Kindle. It's far more convenient to use the Kindle app on my phone. But there's a voice in the back of my head wondering if I'm doing my kids a disservice. They don't see me holding a big chunk of dea…

I only read on my kindle and yet I have a room full of shelves overflowing with physical books. Most of the justification for those books and shelves is so my kids have a place to wander into and browse around if they want something new to read. Alas, I have yet to get them to show any interest in browsing the shelves. My daughter reads all the time but isn't interested in "old stuff". I'm holding out hope that she'l…

Perhaps if your kids saw you actually reading from the shelves they'd be a bit more curious?

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

#190

Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

Trade paperbacks will wear out in months or years. Zip files containing HTML documents... we'll be able to read them for a very long time.

LOL. Were are you from? I have books from 1800 at home.
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