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The large majority of remote jobs I've seen on LinkedIn and other job boards, or applied to, are U.S.-only, sometimes restricted to particular states. Companies using the transition to remote to expand worldwide must be advertising elsewhere and are not really an issue for me.
I am elsewhere and even here jobs are limited to within the country. Op is spreading a far right anti work from home conspiracy theory.
Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
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#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not in the US; if I had to send out 200 or even 100 applications I would change career. If I had to send 50 I would be starting to investigate other careers.
I think it depends, if you're early in your career you're basically trying to find a company willing to take a chance on you and train you. Once you have some accomplishments under your belt companies will start being more aggressive at hiring you because you can hit the ground running. If you're applying for "senior" positions and have the CV to back it up and you're still batting 1/200 getting to the first intervie…
The company I ended up working for basically would stick 10-15 potential Junior engineers (majority from bootcamps) in a room for 2 months and give them all 2 identical features to ship. Then access to the dev codebase, docs and the ear of senior engineer.
People would help each other, it was expected. People would go learn parts of the stack come back and teach everyone else (this is how I learned about GraphQL). At the end of the 2 months anyone who couldn't preform was let go, everyone else was placed.
I understand this was a boomtime thing that only works as massive companies, but it makes getting a new person on your team easier if they know the codebase/workflow. For the new engineer it also really helps to get used to how code works in a massive repo when all you've done is tiny self run projects.
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#353It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…
Given that you're talking about a 60 K position I can only assume that this is out of your first job or at the very least you're a junior or entry-level position. So of course this is only anecdotal but I've never sent more than 5 applications out at a time even back when I was a junior dev. In the last 10 years I don't even bother looking for jobs actively anymore, I just turn the switch on my LinkedIn indicating th…
Sorry, but what does "ts" stand for?
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#354It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…
This is one of the reasons why I made this post, to put some numbers out there. A lot of people on HN have ideal backgrounds so that they really are going to get constant unsolicited offers, or at least an interview anywhere they apply. Other people are on the hiring side struggling for one reason or another and blaming it on a hot market. If you're in a group like that, it's easy to get the wrong impression, and wor…
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that you're talking about a 60 K position I can only assume that this is out of your first job or at the very least you're a junior or entry-level position. So of course this is only anecdotal but I've never sent more than 5 applications out at a time even back when I was a junior dev. In the last 10 years I don't even bother looking for jobs actively anymore, I just turn the switch on my LinkedIn indicating th…
>in demand skillset (ts/js/c#) Sorry, but what does "ts" stand for?
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#357I work at Apple and my team has been “hiring” for the last 2 years with no offers so far. Why? Because even if you are a good candidate, hiring is not as easy as people think. Among the many challengues we have I can list the following: 1. The people interested in your profile have minimal influence in the process, 2. There are people who are always chasing for the shiny new object (or person, in this case), 3. There…
Usually developers of all levels of skills work in teams and if something really good comes out as a result, frequently it's not a single-person merit.
Secondly, I do honestly wonder how many developers, even here on HN, have done something so impressive they think it's worth talking about in detail. Most likely whatever they have done, somebody else has already done it better than them in the past.
Finally, I can speak from personal experience, when I tried explaining how I (either alone or in the team) have fixed something by applying some solution, the interviewer had made me look like a fool by asking trivial questions, like if we had considered doing this or that, or why haven't we done this instead. During the very limited interview time, it is impossible to convey the full context to the interviewer and too often they don't appreciate that.
Too often the companies are looking for unicorn developers but when you somehow get matched, accept a job offer and join the company expecting that maybe this time it's going to be different, better somehow, you are met with the same awful solutions, everything barely working and people being people, just like everywhere else. Suddenly, the fact that you left your ordinary software house and joined FAANG (or MANGA, etc.) loses any significance, except for the financial benefit.
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#359Opinion: Too much of a blanket statement in my opinion. The way I see it as a consultant that has talked to multiple devs and management over the last year at multiple companies is that remote jobs are competitive at the moment, in person jobs less so, and contracting jobs are always hiring. We are at the end of the year and operational expenditure is low and getting renewed, while capital expenditure is high and inc…
I spot-checked some of the companies you listed. Problem is that they're a mix of not remote, have complex applications requiring logins which I assume are big time sinks into black holes, the software jobs aren't in the U.S., they use enterprise technology which is fine but just not my skillset, all that sort of thing. Also I'm assuming, maybe wrongly, that big enterprises have a hiring cycle of several months which…
Personally I don’t think this viewpoint does your point justice. There are jobs, good paying ones. Just the ones you want are less prevalent. Also, I don’t think you would like contract work in this case.
I’m a consultant that works for a firm and the pay is very good. Working no more than 40 hours most weeks. I have a goal of building out my network this way.
Examples of big consulting firms are KPMG, Bain, Accenture, and Cognizant. Alternatively get a start going to recruiting firms like, Michael Page Interim or Hays for contract jobs.
Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
I spot-checked some of the companies you listed. Problem is that they're a mix of not remote, have complex applications requiring logins which I assume are big time sinks into black holes, the software jobs aren't in the U.S., they use enterprise technology which is fine but just not my skillset, all that sort of thing. Also I'm assuming, maybe wrongly, that big enterprises have a hiring cycle of several months which…
> I spot-checked some of the companies you listed. Problem is that they're a mix of not remote, have complex applications requiring logins which I assume are big time sinks into black holes, the software jobs aren't in the U.S., they use enterprise technology which is fine but just not my skillset, all that sort of thing. Personally I don’t think this viewpoint does your point justice. There are jobs, good paying one…