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What Happened at Alameda Research

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Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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Makes some sense. When stuff is messy, you can do financially stupid things. I've sat on desks that lost money from not realizing some very simple things like having options with upcoming dividends. If SBF really was on drugs and playing League of Legends badly, perhaps he also didn't know what was happening in his shop. But... you have all this money. Hire an adult? Almost anyone who's had a trading desk job would t…

The Ontario Teachers' investment is outrageous. They are charging middle-class people (by definition) good money from their retirement savings to make reasonable investing decisions and do due diligence.

OTPP has quite a solid reputation and this particular investment was a miniscule speculative bet. You can see the performance over time here [1].

[1] https://www.otpp.com/en-ca/investments/our-advantage/our-per...

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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Before or after they were bribing politicians for favourable regulation for FTX at the detriment of their competitors who were not fraudulent? https://prospect.org/power/sam-bankman-frieds-multimillion-d... > Crypto’s supporters in Congress are determined to ignore the massive gap in capacity between the two agencies; in fact, they likely understand that its incapacity is part of its appeal to FTX. A bill proposed by…

Well FTX's competitors are not necessarily not fraudulent, especially their primary competitor Binance.

Ironically Binance's low trust makes their users especially diligent about on and off boarding their funds. Their model is closer to DeFi than their competitors who are CeFi

Besides what makes FTX especially trendy to cover was how he targeted mostly American, supposedly sophisticated SV VC types. He got funded by dozens of billionaires.

Funny enough SBF openly described his cynical scam months ago, explaining both how shit coins and greedy VCs operated.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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The extensive use of stimulants is alarming, though heavily speculative.

What does the league of legends article say? That part seemed crazy speculative. I'm bottom quartile at FPS and fighting games but I enjoy them and play a lot. Dota 2 as well. And I've been top 1 percent at other games. Even higher for a bit in Auto Chess. I hope this isn't evidence of brain damage...

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had been following this whole saga at all you would know that Twitter anons have been a way better source of information than anyone else. The on-chain anaylsis, digging and commentary done by people on Twitter has been insanely insightful.

Twitter might provide more information than the NYT, but there's a reason NYT doesn't publish it - because the NYT wants to be reliable. They want their claims to actually stand up to scrutiny and be an accurate portrayal of the events we know happened. Whereas big chunks of this article are just pure speculation. The whole section about how Alameda might have had a rogue algo are just made up out of whole cloth. Is…

The NYT article is headlined "How Sam Bankman-Friedʼs Crypto Empire Collapsed". The parts of the article which actually answer this question are, in their totality, as follows:

> Alameda had accumulated a large “margin position” on FTX, essentially meaning it had borrowed funds from the exchange,

Par 6. Common knowledge, finance-splained and followed by equivocation and hand-waving from SBF.

> On Nov. 6, Mr. Zhao announced on Twitter that he was selling the FTT, spooking customers who rushed to withdraw their FTX deposits

Common knowledge for more than a week (in par 28). More well-known things about the Zhao deal in the next couple of pars. Obv suggesting the two key questions, why did they need a bailout in the first place, and what was wrong with the business that led Zhao not to invest? Needless to say, neither of them is answered in the article.

> Her voice shaking, she apologized, saying she had let the group down. Over recent months, she said, Alameda had taken out loans and used the money to make venture capital investments, among other expenditures.

> Around the time the crypto market crashed this spring, Ms. Ellison explained, lenders moved to recall those loans, the person familiar with the meeting said. But the funds that Alameda had spent were no longer easily available, so the company used FTX customer funds to make the payments. Besides her and Mr. Bankman-Fried, she said, two other people knew about the arrangement: Mr. Singh and Mr. Wang.

> The meeting was previously reported by The Wall Street Journal.

Several day old scuttlebutt taken from another newspaper in par 30+. (And nicely written to suggest that it's an urgent eyewitness dispatch "Her voice shaking")

That's it. Literally no actual news reporting was done in this article.

The high standards of reliability and standing up to scrutiny are worthless, because they are not actually applied to any useful or new information, but just to the human interest color that 90% of the piece consists of. Yes, the 'facts' that SBF has 15 room-mates and not 12, and that he plays League of Legends not Terraria are rigorously fact-checked, but they might as well not be. The actual question of Where did the money go is completely ignored beyond what is widely known.

This isn't news reporting, it's a form of entertainment journalism, which allows people out of the loop to get a sense of the excitement and glamor of what's it like to live in the Bahamas and have your crypto exchange go bankrupt. (And it equally fulfils the desire for other clueless people to tut and sigh over the way the world is going.)

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well FTX's competitors are not necessarily not fraudulent, especially their primary competitor Binance.

What fraud does Binance do besides evading U.S. regulations? note: This is an actual question.

If the story goes like FTX, we'll only know after it's too late.

Not being incorporated anywhere (which is the last thing I heard about the matter) is an extremely bright red flag, so that's some evidence (in the Bayesian sense) that something is off.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the fuck is a "sexual attack"

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your Google Images reference, but the content of the discussions on Reddit since this all kicked off have followed enough of a theme that I can take a guess at what some of those people have photoshopped up for the web masses. Probably easier to ask outright, why shouldn't I do a Google Images search for Caroline Ellison?

Because those pictures can produce some darn explosive puking.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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Before or after they were bribing politicians for favourable regulation for FTX at the detriment of their competitors who were not fraudulent? https://prospect.org/power/sam-bankman-frieds-multimillion-d... > Crypto’s supporters in Congress are determined to ignore the massive gap in capacity between the two agencies; in fact, they likely understand that its incapacity is part of its appeal to FTX. A bill proposed by…

Well FTX's competitors are not necessarily not fraudulent, especially their primary competitor Binance.

Vote out the politicians who are not prosecuting Binance then also. Not sure how two wrongs make it okay that FTX were ghost writing crypto regulation [1].

[1]: https://coingeek.com/ftx-sam-bankman-fried-pens-crypto-regul...

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

#78

I liked the chapter in Nate Sivers' Signal and the Noise when he talks about how hard it is to know if you're a good professional poker player. Been a while since I read it but feel like even after a couple of years of winning games and tracking his own performance, he had enough stats knowledge to realise that he didn't actually know if he was good or just lucky. The noise swamped the signal. This feels relevant to…

In Midnight Run (1988) when Marvin finds the Duke and Jack in the sandstone of Red Rock Country he exclaims "Am I lucky or am I just good?":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gokkl2br7G8&t=152s

Later in the movie, when Marvin decides to ask for more money and takes a Polaroid of the Duke in the bathroom of the motel, he comments to himself: "I amaze myself... I'm always thinking."

The thing is, the character of Marvin is quite dumb, not a nice person and above all someone who never grasps the full picture -- but at the same time he has good instincts and is, in fact, a fairly good hunter. It's a dangerous combination.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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I like how OP opens smugly by calling the NYT article a fluff piece, then proceeds to immediately cite anonymous Twitter anecdotes as better sources. He's right about the specific NYT article not including much pertinent information, but they're a serious journalistic publication and have verification standards for sources.

Agreed. This article is a fun read at best.

Re: What Happened at Alameda Research

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Makes some sense. When stuff is messy, you can do financially stupid things. I've sat on desks that lost money from not realizing some very simple things like having options with upcoming dividends. If SBF really was on drugs and playing League of Legends badly, perhaps he also didn't know what was happening in his shop. But... you have all this money. Hire an adult? Almost anyone who's had a trading desk job would t…

I’m no expert in the space but was under the impression FTX was still considered a low volume exchange. If Alameda mm was still providing substantial volume they may have felt the price they were paying being bad at trading was worth it from a marketing point of view. This was the same crew buying stadium naming rights and over paying for eSports teams. As for hiring an adult, have you seen some of the things they’ve…

OTP put in something like that in the fund I was at. Yes it's small for them but it's still serious, the guy in charge wants to move on to bigger things.

Oh and I totally forgot to comment on the math. Kelly criterion, I don't get how the guy could have studied physics at MIT and not understood it. It's simply a result that tells you how much to bet of your stash if you are presented with some repeated betting opportunity. It's essentially an extension of high school level probability theory, with similar clean-room constraints (independence, etc). There's also a continuous version of it using Sharpe ratios, no surprises.

If you read anything about it, it's very very not smart to bet beyond the ideal size. This is actually the reason why a lot of people use less than the ideal, because you don't want to end up over the hump. Both the assumptions that underlie the result and the measurements of the parameters are not easy to ascertain, so don't act like it's a dice game within a known environment.

By the way anyone studying Kelly Criterion needs to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proebsting%27s_paradox

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