I'm surprised at the number of people defending Elon here, how would you feel if your CEO literally shit on your work in public to millions of people and not only that was completely totally wrong about it. Like I'm not surprised that they got fired because Elon behaves like a toddler but god damn if your response isn't to salute two people who got axed for speaking the truth then you have your priorities ass backwar…
Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.
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It's funny when Elon companies are successful people say it was never him it was the engineers, and then when his companies are having trouble then it's not the engineers, it's him. The fact is it's a team. Twitter has more than enough runway to get through this transition and turn things around. It's up to the team to execute effectively.
I mean he was the one that saddled Twitter with a billion dollars in LBO debt. Most successes and failures have many contributors but this particular spot of trouble Twitter is literally just 100% his own doing.
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The drama is literally the only reason I'm on Twitter right now. Better than any TV show. The moment things get back to "normal" I'm deleting the app.
For real. I deleted mine last week but I might have to make a new one so I can read the hilarious threads. They their up a modal if you scroll too far as an unregistered user
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#134The context here is that the engineer in question challenged Musk's (public) claims about why Twitter is so slow (there's followup tweets in the thread with more detail): https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/15919022854034186... So Musk then fired him with a Tweet: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592186302379982849
Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.
#135The context here is that the engineer in question challenged Musk's (public) claims about why Twitter is so slow (there's followup tweets in the thread with more detail): https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/15919022854034186... So Musk then fired him with a Tweet: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592186302379982849
Are people ok with a CEO treating their workers like this? Firing them via email or tweet? It's repulsive behavior that should be called out.
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#136Folks, just to set expectations here, it’s gonna be like this for a couple years. He’s going to be nanomanaging the company and learning from scratch the entire business and doing wild shit until he figures it out. And it’s going to be chaos internally and leaks left and right and ten crazy stories like this a week. The signal to noise ratio is gonna be ridiculously low and everyone’s going to get whipped up in every…
This post is interesting to me. There's a number of subtle but vast pro-Elon takes subtly woven in, which I generally don't agree with. But also, it loathes what I loath, which is that we're going to be hearing about this shit for a long long long long time, and the bias will be immensely one directionally negative. Which is almost certainly true. And, probably, for a long time, incredibly fantastically well deserved…
I do think it's fair enough to read it as a pro-Elon take, to some degree. I find him to be a fascinating person, because I think there are many useful things to learn about building successful and important companies like Tesla or SpaceX, and I think most of his intentions are genuine (and good and correct). I think there's a lot of cynicism and misinformation and such around his companies that is mostly noise. I don't think it's true that he is dumb or incompetent, or obsessed with money, etc. If you watch a video of him talking about rocket engine design, you can definitely tell that he knows this stuff in great enough detail to be making low-level design decisions – he's always deeply involved, so much so that it's a difficult environment for many people to work in I think.
Now I also have lots of things where I disagree with him – I think he has lots of blind spots and is clearly in a right-wing info bubble (probably because of Twitter!), and I'm not sure I would try to emulate many parts of his workaholic management style, etc.
But also, I don't care as much about offering a moral judgement on him as a person, I can't change him. What's interesting to me is what can be learned. What things he does that are remarkably effective, and why. And conversely, what he does that really pisses people off in such a way that they are likely to ignore those things because they were upset by unrelated things he's said. It's okay to write him off, I understand why people do that, but I want to learn from it!
I would say that I have no idea whether he will be successful with Twitter, but I think he has a decent enough track record with his other companies. But that may not be enough, they are very different companies. And he really has put himself in a pickle, since he's not really acquired a company in the same way, let alone one that has such mindshare. He's certainly dragging his reputation and Twitter's reputation through the mud. But my take is also that Twitter has always been a product that is particularly well-designed to make useful discourse difficult or impossible, and to amplify drama and misinformation. And despite being a platform most people seem to dislike and doesn't have tons of users, it's currently locked in a negative-feedback loop with the news media, and disproportionately influential on the world. I think that's a really bad thing. I would be happy enough if Elon craters it, but I suppose it's also good if he fixes it somehow. It seems ultimately quite important that there is some way for society to have discussions at civilization-scale about what is important to us. Pre-Elon Twitter was not the right platform for that, so destroying it or replacing it is absolutely fine with me.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are people ok with a CEO treating their workers like this? Firing them via email or tweet? It's repulsive behavior that should be called out.
According to some people here you're just supposed to take it when your boss shits on your work and firing you for any push back at all is entirely justified.
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#138After seeing Elon mixing up all async services that happen in backend with Android client making as many requests, I wonder if I thought this guy is smart because I know nothing about building cars or launching space rockets. Edit: "guy is smart" probably should be "guy is technically competent". I am sure Elon is smart, I think he is being Phony while acting technically competent in every area.
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#139I wonder how soon Twitter will have to crank the compensation up because no one wants to work there.
Unlikely. Elon's MO for all of his companies is to find the "true believer" types and work them to death for pennies. It's much harder to do in software when one can simply walk across the street and get a better job, but I'm sure there are still enough of them to keep Twitter running because they worship whatever he is spouting.
Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.
#140After seeing Elon mixing up all async services that happen in backend with Android client making as many requests, I wonder if I thought this guy is smart because I know nothing about building cars or launching space rockets. Edit: "guy is smart" probably should be "guy is technically competent". I am sure Elon is smart, I think he is being Phony while acting technically competent in every area.