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Post by oezi »

scifibestfi wrote: post #64
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

You're not angered that you were advised to give this to a 15 year old with no upside even after he was hospitalized for 2 weeks as a result?!

The risk from myocarditis from getting Covid-19 is higher than getting it from the vaccine. The decision to vaccinate even young people made sense during the height of the pandemic and it doesn't make so much sense now anymore.

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Post by thatswrong0 »

n4r9 wrote: post #222
origin_path wrote: post #5

I'm very skeptical about their numbers. Some time in 2021 there was a story about COVID vaccines and heart issues here on HN. The comments filled up with people saying that ever since they'd got their shots they were experiencing new heart-related symptoms they'd never had previously like permanently racing heartbeats, palpitations/fluttering, inability to do exercise and more. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to re-fi…

Is it possibly this discussion? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27463732 There are people talking about heart palpitations or pains, yard to say if that's enough to say they had myocarditis though.

I posted in that thread - saw a cardiologist and they confirmed it. In retrospect, it was probably the worst illness I've ever had, being completely out of commission for a month at age 29, where even doing simple things like rolling over in bed would cause my heart rate to spike and cause me to be short of breath. Couldn't do anything but lay there. Luckily a scan confirmed no long term damage.

For some reason still decided to get the third booster.. and I still ended up getting COVID twice (very mild both times). Don't think I'll be getting any more COVID vaccines.

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Post by oezi »

wrycoder wrote: post #8
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

As soon as the EUAs were issued, the vaccine manufacturers shut down clinical trial followup and, in many cases, allowed vaccination of the control branch of the trials. Same for Paxlovid, where support for independent trials was refused.

Citation?

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Post by nomel »

yonaguska wrote: post #55
origin_path wrote: post #5

I'm very skeptical about their numbers. Some time in 2021 there was a story about COVID vaccines and heart issues here on HN. The comments filled up with people saying that ever since they'd got their shots they were experiencing new heart-related symptoms they'd never had previously like permanently racing heartbeats, palpitations/fluttering, inability to do exercise and more. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to re-fi…

I wish I could find it, but google is insistent on working against me here, but I remember reading from one of Pfizer's data dumps that children in the vaccinated group of their studies were at an increased risk of other respiratory infections compared to the control group. Anecdotally, some, not all, but some of my triple vaccinated friends are getting sick constantly and they've said that every time they catch covi…

> wish I could find it, but google is insistent on working against me here

Bing/DuckDuckGo go is much better for anything with a negative vaccine sentiment. I stopped using Google altogether, because of the pandemic, after repeatedly watching news articles and research papers disappear from search results. I want a list, not a guided experience.

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Post by hitpointdrew »

enragedcacti wrote: post #215
hitpointdrew wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then we have to account for the much reduced risk of that though I fail to see any evidence of "much reduced risk". We know before vaccinations existed some people died, some people were a-symptomatic. After mass vaccination campaigns, same results. Have the deaths gone down? Sure, but there are obvious factors, outside of vaccination, that are certainly contributing to that, if not wholly responsible for it. We kn…

> I fail to see any evidence of "much reduced risk". If you just do a basic per-capita analysis the reduced risk of death is in the range of 5-16x depending on age group and vaccinated or vaccinated+boosted. There are obviously confounding variables (do vaccinated people behave differently? are healthier people the ones getting the vaccines?) but I would argue that those numbers are a pretty big W for vaccines as far…

>If you just do a basic per-capita analysis the reduced risk of death is in the range 5-16x

I am not questioning that, but couldn't that 5-16x be contributed to the latest strains being far less deadly that the first few strains, much better and accessible treatments (monoclonal antibodies), safer hospital practices (not putting people on ventilators so quickly/easily), etc.? How can we be so sure that the majority of that 5-16x was from vaccination?

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Post by enragedcacti »

fhrow4484 wrote: post #158
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #15

Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? It's possible that such a vaccine causes a number of such cases, and still prevents a much larger number of them. In fact it also seems to be true in this case. Discussing the vaccines out of this context, is scaremongering. You're much better off taking your chances with the COVID-19 vaccine than taking your chances unvaccinated. htt…

> Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? Which mechanism would cause myocarditis when you get COVID 19? The 2nd link in nradov's comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33599243 ) states: > These findings indicate that introducing the mRNA vaccine into the circulatory system can lead to acute cardiac inflammation. The mechanism behind this requires further elucidati…

I'm not sure how it causes it but it seems that it does:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

> During March 2020–January 2021, patients with COVID-19 had nearly 16 times the risk for myocarditis compared with patients who did not have COVID-19, and risk varied by sex and age.

> To minimize potential bias from vaccine-associated myocarditis (6), 277,892 patients with a COVID-19 vaccination record in PHD-SR during December 2020–February 2021 were excluded.

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

lispisok wrote: post #102
mberning wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s incredible how they managed to rehab their image almost overnight. Anybody remember the bextra scandal? Yeah, these are the same corrupt corporations.

We went from finding out pharma companies exploded the opiate epidemic to people getting tattoos of the brand of covid vaccine they got in a few years. Just because pharma companies make some useful products does not make them good actors. Of course Pfizer is going to say everybody needs another covid booster shot. Every time they convince people they need another it's billions in revenue.

do you have a link? google just leads to stuff about how long to wait with a tattoo after vaccination.

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Post by sfusato »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #172
coinbasetwwa wrote: post #159

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Polio - people have forgotten rows of kids in iron lungs - perhaps you should read some history books and forget the crypto.

I highly recommend "Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History".

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Post by jjcon »

sfusato wrote: post #7

Norway recommends booster doses for 65+ [0], Denmark for 50+ [1], Australia for 50+ [2], Sweeden for 65+ [3], Finland for 65+ [4]. United States recommends booster does for 5+ [5]. "The (Florida) State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old." [6] [0] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p... [1] https://www.sst.dk/en/English/Corona-eng/Va…

And yet despite that these countries have much much higher rates of booster vaccination than the USA does (not to mention there are dozens of other countries not listed in your comment with similar policies to the USA). I think this has more to do with how the health agencies in these countries choose to communicate than anything else; that is I don't think the wording and nuance of all recommendations can be directly compared so easily.

Norway: 70% Boosted

Denmark: 63% Boosted

Australia:56% Boosted

Sweden: 71% Boosted

Finland: 74% Boosted

USA: 34% Boosted

SOURCE: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccina...

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