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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by no_butterscotch »

enragedcacti wrote: post #149
no_butterscotch wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore. Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

Not the OP but: Covid definitely isn't over, it's just that we've gotten better at treating it and people have decided that they are over it. It is still killing almost 2000 people a week in the US and it's very possible that we will see a huge spike in that as we get further into winter. the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

> the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

Ah thanks for the context.

I've only gotten the J&J vax (the worst one?) back in April of 2021, no boosters. I considered getting one but by then they were recommending boosters every few months and I decided to just "risk" it by not getting them? (I'm in my 30s and in good shape/health so don't feel vulnerable, but I understand that could be hubris and back-fire).

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by xracy »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #133
UncleOxidant wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

That is such a biased study. They aren't comparing Covid postive + no vaccine with covid negative + vaccine. If that was the comparison 1st group fares better as they did not find any covid positive + non vaccinated being diagnosed with myocarditis. Also their dataset had 13% covid positive rate. So ideally we should multiply the non vaccinated risk by 13%. [0] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATION…

I don't know about the rest of your methodology and I'm suspicious of the concept of "Oh they forgot to multiply by 13%" cause you just don't multiply percentages (with very few exceptions). But more to the point, the group "Covid Positive + No Vaccine" has a high sampling bias built into it. Because you're sampling "People who lived through covid without the vaccine".

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by lob_it »

mberning wrote: post #42
taolegal wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't be charitable with, say, Exxon, are bending over backwards to defend global pharmaceuticals. Exxon has an interest in minimizing (disregarding) the harmful effects of their products and same goes for Pfizer & friends who's got every govt funneling money to them seemingly without limit.

It’s incredible how they managed to rehab their image almost overnight. Anybody remember the bextra scandal? Yeah, these are the same corrupt corporations.

No post body was provided.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by greenyoda »

sharken wrote: post #156
enragedcacti wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the OP but: Covid definitely isn't over, it's just that we've gotten better at treating it and people have decided that they are over it. It is still killing almost 2000 people a week in the US and it's very possible that we will see a huge spike in that as we get further into winter. the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

At least provide some facts to the 2000 people a week claim.

The CDC is reporting 2344 COVID deaths per week: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by megous »

treeman79 wrote: post #51
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

Wife for a booster. Arm swelled up. Been a year. No improvement. We had already had Covid. Current time in school boosters. All the teachers kept getting covid anyway. Hard to be anything then hostile toward anyone that is on the forcing people to get shots or to cut them from services train.

Same here. Since 1 day post vaccination pain in elbow for almost a year (if she was doing physical job, she'd not be able to work for amlost a year) On top of that constant unending headache for first ~6 months.

Doctors help basically just "we don't know, there's no research, it will hopefully get better". It did after a year. Great. Govt pushed people to vaccinate to prevent the spread (despite individual's risk being very low) with promise to compensate in case of issues. lol, they didn't even compensate people who were paralyzed after vaccination with response "You can't prove it's from vaccination, sorry."

Zero benefit from the vaccination itself, since she didn't go for a second shot after this.

Cost/benefit very negative, since she likely didn't need the vaccination in the first place since she's not in the risk group and this was just "for the society" thing. And turns out it doesn't work againt spread much either.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

Some added information: Some might wonder, won't the US government pay me if I am injured (as unlikely as that is)? For example, the young man the article talks about as having been injured?

Yes - there is a fund, the CICP (Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program). However, your odds of getting paid are basically nil, as an adult; due to an extremely high standard for proving causation, lack of awareness, and limited claim time (1 year from date of vaccination). So if you have a long-term effect after, say, 3 years needing compensation, you won't be paid.

"As of October 1, 2022, the CICP has partially compensated one COVID-19 countermeasure claim. There are potentially additional expenses to be calculated for this claim, therefore, the claim is still in the “Pending” compensation status. Forty-seven COVID-19 countermeasure claims have been denied compensation because the standard of proof for causation was not met and/or a covered injury was not sustained. Six COVID-19 countermeasure claims, all of which are COVID-19 vaccine claims, have been determined eligible for compensation and are pending a review of eligible expenses. One eligible claim is the result of anaphylaxis, and five claims are the result of myocarditis."

Six payouts as of October 1st, 2022. https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/cicp-data

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by linuxftw »

ivraatiems wrote: post #65

I would just like us all to stop pretending that any of one's fear of COVID or skepticism of vaccines or distrust of whoever or whatever is about rational calculated risks. It's about how we feel, so let's talk about that. Look, everyone is scared of doing something until they're scared of not doing it. Everyone distrusts government until they trust it, and distrusts pharma until they trust it. Some people will wear…

So, people losing their jobs for not taking an experimental medical product was just a persuasion game? What?

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by ceejayoz »

vanattab wrote: post #116
toast0 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> did not cover it As in you paid the whole cost, and it was $10K, and it didn't count on your deductables / out of pocket max? Or the patient paid portion was $10K, the insurance paid portion was $0, but now you're a lot closer to your maximums? Did you file with the CICP? https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp

I don't know if this is still the case but as of Nov 21 the feds had paid zero covid cicp claims. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrze...

You wouldn't file a CICP claim for a bout of myocarditis in which "we have not seen indications of lasting damage". That's not what it's for.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by GenerocUsername »

thepasswordis wrote: post #114
GenerocUsername wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the school should pay for the known side effects

No amount of money can replace my child.

Then schools should not be mandating experimental therapies

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by hedora »

cragfar wrote: post #109
bluGill wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies. You don't get a choice about COVID getting into your body, and that is far worse than whatever possible long term effects of the vaccine might be. There may be concerning long term effects, but keep persepcive, the worst possible case is still better than the known case of COVID. And of course long term studies on COVID are also sti…

>There may be concerning long term effects, but keep persepcive, the worst possible case is still better than the known case of COVID. The most common outcome of Covid is feeling bad for a couple of days (up to a week), and then moving on with life across all age groups. This has always been the case.

Yes, but the bad outcomes of Covid are > 10x more common than those of the vaccine, and they're also much worse.
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