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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by yucky »

bluGill wrote: post #57
yucky wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual FDA approval letter[0] calls out in the document that all long term testing will not be completed until May 2027. Pointing that out has always gotten one branded as an antivaxx conspiracy nutter, rather than a person who might want to ensure that, well, long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies. [0] https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

> long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies. You don't get a choice about COVID getting into your body, and that is far worse than whatever possible long term effects of the vaccine might be. There may be concerning long term effects, but keep persepcive, the worst possible case is still better than the known case of COVID. And of course long term studies on COVID are also sti…

   You don't get a choice about COVID getting into your body, and that is far worse than whatever possible long term effects of the vaccine might be.
That is actually yet to be determined, which is the point.

And I only mean that as it relates to specific demographic cohorts, not overall. If I were elderly, diabetic, immunocompromised etc. I don't think I'd hesitate. But the data I've seen on my demographic cohort is a toss-up at best, or even shows the vaccine to be riskier.

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Post by chedca21 »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #11
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Still glad I took my chances with the vaccine: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/brie...

The danger of contracting covid was inflated relatively by initial standards of care that later proved harmful; https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/why-some-doctors-...

Also using steroids like dexamethasone were a later advent in treating covid that helped a lot. (They should have been standard of care right away like they would have been for any other respiratory illness).

These early follies increased the perceived need for a vaccine then and today still; risk : benefit analysis for the vaccines consider worst possible scenarios for covid, which include defunct practices like high PIP ventilator use and forgoing of common first-line treatments

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Post by bluGill »

sfusato wrote: post #20
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now, to balance between you and the OP: Great, Covid looks like it won't give me myocarditis. It can still kill me, though. So now we have to balance a "may give me myocarditis" vaccine against a "may kill me, but won't give me myocarditis" virus. You can't make the trade-off solely on myocarditis.

You forgot the "may give me myocarditis (and covid might still kill me)" on one end of the balance though.

Then we have to account for the much reduced risk of that though. sure it can, but relative risk is important. Covid when vaccinated is far more likely to kill you than all possible combinations of the vaccine and whatever else.

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Post by nradov »

rozap wrote: post #47
origin_path wrote: post #5

I'm very skeptical about their numbers. Some time in 2021 there was a story about COVID vaccines and heart issues here on HN. The comments filled up with people saying that ever since they'd got their shots they were experiencing new heart-related symptoms they'd never had previously like permanently racing heartbeats, palpitations/fluttering, inability to do exercise and more. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to re-fi…

Me too. A few days after the latest booster I had some really weird heart palpitations while resting, and I was feeling dizzy with chest/shoulder pain after some moderate exercise. I've stopped exercising which sucks, but will ease back into it. But there's a history of arrhythmia in my family (heart issue killed my dad at a young age), so that's probably a big risk factor, and I'm in the "young male" risk group. I d…

Unless you've been getting weekly PCR tests since the beginning of the pandemic, there's no way to reliably know that you haven't been infected. Many people experience asymptomatic infections.

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Post by UncleOxidant »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine?

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

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Post by tablespoon »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> The one thing that angers me is that this incident cost us $10K. Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it. We have no recourse whatsoever for this incident and any future care requirements.

Seriously? That's shitty. What's the insurance company's rationale for denying the claim?

Isn't there some kind of government fund to compensate people for vaccine side effects? Seems like you'd have a strong claim to get reimbursed from them.

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Post by toast0 »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> did not cover it

As in you paid the whole cost, and it was $10K, and it didn't count on your deductables / out of pocket max? Or the patient paid portion was $10K, the insurance paid portion was $0, but now you're a lot closer to your maximums?

Did you file with the CICP? https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp

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Post by sfusato »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #44
sfusato wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not implying anything. See my earlier comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33595347

I also see the _late addition_ of "to those under 50/65 years of age" in grandparent comment, which changes the meaning quite a bit. These countries, for many people, are recommending further boosters. In the UK's case, the NHS "invites people 50 and over for autumn boosters" (1) which doesn't rule out any further action later for under 50s. https://www.england.nhs.uk/2022/10/nhs-invites-people-50-and...

I've later added that "50/65 age" mention. Apologies for that. So, you reckon this a not important change in policy? I personally find it as a radical change in policy, almost short of an apology to be honest.

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Post by bluGill »

kyleyeats wrote: post #38
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #15

Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? It's possible that such a vaccine causes a number of such cases, and still prevents a much larger number of them. In fact it also seems to be true in this case. Discussing the vaccines out of this context, is scaremongering. You're much better off taking your chances with the COVID-19 vaccine than taking your chances unvaccinated. htt…

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> The vaccine doesn't stop transmission

That is utterly false!

If you don't get COVID because of the vaccine, then the vaccine stopped the transmission. Even if you get COVID, the chance you transmit COVID is reduced becuase the body spreads less. If you do get it, but your body will also clear it faster which is less time to transmit. Sure the above is 100% stop all transmission, but it still stops the majority.

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