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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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UncleOxidant wrote: post #75
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by lispisok »

mberning wrote: post #42
taolegal wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't be charitable with, say, Exxon, are bending over backwards to defend global pharmaceuticals. Exxon has an interest in minimizing (disregarding) the harmful effects of their products and same goes for Pfizer & friends who's got every govt funneling money to them seemingly without limit.

It’s incredible how they managed to rehab their image almost overnight. Anybody remember the bextra scandal? Yeah, these are the same corrupt corporations.

We went from finding out pharma companies exploded the opiate epidemic to people getting tattoos of the brand of covid vaccine they got in a few years. Just because pharma companies make some useful products does not make them good actors. Of course Pfizer is going to say everybody needs another covid booster shot. Every time they convince people they need another it's billions in revenue.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by hitpointdrew »

bluGill wrote: post #73
sfusato wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the "may give me myocarditis (and covid might still kill me)" on one end of the balance though.

Then we have to account for the much reduced risk of that though. sure it can, but relative risk is important. Covid when vaccinated is far more likely to kill you than all possible combinations of the vaccine and whatever else.

> Then we have to account for the much reduced risk of that though

I fail to see any evidence of "much reduced risk". We know before vaccinations existed some people died, some people were a-symptomatic. After mass vaccination campaigns, same results. Have the deaths gone down? Sure, but there are obvious factors, outside of vaccination, that are certainly contributing to that, if not wholly responsible for it. We know the virus has been getting less deadly with each new strain, we know that putting people on ventilators and cranking them up was 100% the wrong treatment. The media has largely stopped beating the fear drum, there are no more death counters up on the news stations 24/7 so people aren't freaking-the-fuck-out. I highly suspect you could have given out placebos instead and would have seen the same results.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by hnrodey »

stronglikedan wrote: post #91
scifibestfi wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not angered that you were advised to give this to a 15 year old with no upside even after he was hospitalized for 2 weeks as a result?!

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by CadmiumYellow »

yonaguska wrote: post #55
origin_path wrote: post #5

I'm very skeptical about their numbers. Some time in 2021 there was a story about COVID vaccines and heart issues here on HN. The comments filled up with people saying that ever since they'd got their shots they were experiencing new heart-related symptoms they'd never had previously like permanently racing heartbeats, palpitations/fluttering, inability to do exercise and more. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to re-fi…

I wish I could find it, but google is insistent on working against me here, but I remember reading from one of Pfizer's data dumps that children in the vaccinated group of their studies were at an increased risk of other respiratory infections compared to the control group. Anecdotally, some, not all, but some of my triple vaccinated friends are getting sick constantly and they've said that every time they catch covi…

Do you have any idea if this effect was found for the non-mRNA vaccines as well? I had the Johnson & Johnson vaccine with no boosters and I've been getting an unusual number of colds this year, though I assumed it was due to life returning to normal with a backlog of viruses I hadn't been exposed to in 2020-2021. I did get covid twice after being vaccinated though and both cases were very mild with the second being almost asymptomatic. The two days after the vaccine were the sickest I've been in a decade but it seems it did its job re: making covid milder.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by wwweston »

taolegal wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't be charitable with, say, Exxon, are bending over backwards to defend global pharmaceuticals. Exxon has an interest in minimizing (disregarding) the harmful effects of their products and same goes for Pfizer & friends who's got every govt funneling money to them seemingly without limit.

At a first approximation, everybody is charitable with Exxon, as demonstrated by continued popular uptake of their products across at least two spectra of political beliefs. Some may also embrace critical beliefs about exactly how much oversight/restraint Exxon should have and/or what forms of public support alternatives should receive, but it's about as rare or rarer to have Exxon's products treated with the suspicion that vaccinations are more dangerous than the diseases they treat.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by busymom0 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #63
sfusato wrote: post #7

Norway recommends booster doses for 65+ [0], Denmark for 50+ [1], Australia for 50+ [2], Sweeden for 65+ [3], Finland for 65+ [4]. United States recommends booster does for 5+ [5]. "The (Florida) State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old." [6] [0] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p... [1] https://www.sst.dk/en/English/Corona-eng/Va…

Worth noting, the Florida Surgeon General's opinion was lambasted in the mainstream media as him embracing conspiracy theories (and there is some interesting added context there as to why they believe so). Which... maybe two things are true at once. Perhaps he was - but also, perhaps his stance is not that radical. Radical compared to most Surgeon Generals in the United States; but on an international level? https://…

Even the neighbouring country Canada stopped giving Moderna to people under 30 a year ago in September 2021. The CDC on the other hand is still continuing on. Clearly something is wrong in the US.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by cragfar »

bluGill wrote: post #57
yucky wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual FDA approval letter[0] calls out in the document that all long term testing will not be completed until May 2027. Pointing that out has always gotten one branded as an antivaxx conspiracy nutter, rather than a person who might want to ensure that, well, long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies. [0] https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

> long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies. You don't get a choice about COVID getting into your body, and that is far worse than whatever possible long term effects of the vaccine might be. There may be concerning long term effects, but keep persepcive, the worst possible case is still better than the known case of COVID. And of course long term studies on COVID are also sti…

>There may be concerning long term effects, but keep persepcive, the worst possible case is still better than the known case of COVID.

The most common outcome of Covid is feeling bad for a couple of days (up to a week), and then moving on with life across all age groups. This has always been the case.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by cableshaft »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #60
queuebert wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

Millions die every year for we are mortal and numerous. Thankfully, the world's population grew during the pandemic. 210,000 to 448,000 Americans die every year to preventable medical errors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventable_causes_of_death#An... This is more people than COVID kills in the same time period, but strangely there's no panic about that. No mandates. No significant steps from any authorities to d…

What would be the mandate for user error (which is what 'preventable medical errors' boils down to), beyond an ongoing attempt to improve procedures in hospitals which I'm sure they're already doing, especially since the US is very litigious and they often get sued for malpractice.

Humans are messy, can't hold all knowledge about everything in their heads at all times, and error prone. Unless you replace them entirely you're not going to be able to eliminate medical errors.

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