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Can someone actually explain what the intrinsic use of coins is supposed to be (aside from speculating). Their value is so volatile they suck as actual currency, not to mention if you were the guy that spent 10,000 bitcoins on a pizza back in the day you'd feel pretty stupid about your 300 million dollar pizza. They're not even particularly good for illegal purchases -- you have to know what you're doing to keep your…

When Ethereum/ another crypto VM becomes fast enough, decentralised applications will be the new iPhone - stuff we can’t imagine will be built there.

As far as NFTs, 90-99% of the activity is nonsense, fraud and money laundering, but there are real artists in the space. Whether that’s satisfactory for you is really a matter of perspective.

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Not super knowledgeable on this but Decentralized exchanges exist why are they not more widely used by the crypto community?

BlockFI was offering 8.5% APY on deposits. FTX was offering 8% A true exchange, where you just buy and sell, will never pause withdrawals because they won't be acting with these ponzi-like methods A decentralized exchange won't give you free money, so less people will use it. Also the same with a centralized exchange offering you 0% APY and full liquidity at all times. You could build one, but will people sign up?

> A decentralized exchange won't give you free money, so less people will use it.

UNI and SUSHI are prime examples of a DEX giving out free money.

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> there can be no circumstance that changes the fact that Bitcoin only ever has 21 million units and cannot ever be inflated Yes it is deflationary, which is worse for a currency. Why buy anything with a currency whose value will always rise? Better to just hold it. Thus it fails as a currency

> Yes it is deflationary, which is worse for a currency. Cui bono? Who told you that deflationary currencies are inherently bad? Perhaps you're repeating this lesson from central bankers and politicians who would have no ability to manipulate for power if they didn't have the printing press. > Why buy anything with a currency whose value will always rise? Better to just hold it. Thus it fails as a currency IMO, this…

> Perhaps you're repeating this lesson from central bankers

Yup. That’s what they taught me at the secret anti-buttcoin training camp. (Or it could be that I studied economics, who knows?)

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> The value of crypto comes from them being decentralized and independent of a financial bank. The value of that is exactly zero when you live in a stable and developed country, and you are not engaged in criminal activity.

Cryptocurrency has value because people are willing to trade for it, whether money or goods. I don't understand why people are willing to trade for it, but to say it has literally zero value isn't exactly accurate.

Who is willing to trade it other than exchanges to purchase fiat currency? I've never found an item that I can actually buy with crypto, where the seller is not simply using crypto as a money transfer service. If a seller 'accepts' crypto via an exchange that converts it to fiat... that's not really crypto. That's just using it for money transfer, but we have way better solutions for that.

Other than one off gags, I've never actually seen anything being sold for crypto. Perhaps things are different where you live

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#555

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Unfortunately, absent the crypto exchanges, which let you easily convert crypto to fiat, there is no reason why crypto has any value. Given that bitcoin transaction times are nowhere near VISA or cash times, bitcoin is fairly useless to purchase things in person and few online vendors take bitcoin alone (most use an exchange to convert bitcoin to cash instantly). So without exchanges, there is literally no purpose or…

I can't believe it's been 5 minutes and no one has said 'lightning network' yet.

I'm fully aware of the lightning network. I'm also aware of something called VISA and American express. Which number do I call to get concierge service with bitcoin? That's what I thought.

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>We are shocked and dismayed by the news regarding FTX and Alameda

The classics never die: https://media.tenor.com/SgK-2pYa_bEAAAAC/casablanca-shocked....

Truly though I have a lot of sympathy for users of these platforms, the portion that thought they were on the ground floor of something that would change how the economy functions, and any speculators who were not simply operating on the "greater fool" theory.

I myself thought "heck, this could work, if institutional money gets involved and the stronger coins find a real economic outlet." After all, pure faith in the entrenched financial systems of the world is a big part of what keeps them going when times get tough too. Though I was still entirely too cynically skeptical to risk my own money, I was cautiously optimistic that some interesting shakeups could be in the works.

As it turns out, crypto was still entirely too much of a closed system to sustain shocks like this, assets entirely too correlated with each other, fraudsters entirely too prevalent, many who were entirely too ready to throw the baby out with the bath water when it came to ignoring lessons learned by traditional finance, and on and on.

I think part of what this all reveals is that blockchain transparency of coin transactions is not enough. The rebuilding phase to come needs to focus on the next level up. A blockchain providing a level of brutally clear transparency into all the layers of their own dealings that operating on top of or along side of or in connection to coins/tokens. This is needed for all of the somewhat centralized entities that are useful (and, IMHO necessary) to reduce friction & increase usability of crypto.

^^Regarding that, maybe it's not even a problem that tech can, by itself, solve. Though often derided, legalese is professional jargon that has developed over the course of centuries in an attempt to minimize ambiguities in transactions between people, and we still need courts with human judgement to sort things out around edge cases, oversights, etc. It may simply be impossible to solve, at least at the level of "code is law", issues like we see with FTX and its contagion to all levels of crypto that were (either deliberately or in good faith) not operating carefully.

I don't know. I'm conflicted on the topic, as perhaps the above rant-ish ramblings show. I was rooting for this generation of crypto tech to take hold as it shook off the scammers and other barnacles of the industry, rooting for it to find a bridge to utility with the actual economy, but even as I rooted for things to go well I am unsurprised by this outcome.

I think what it comes down to is that the folks who really want to make this happen and change the way financial systems run society (rather than only to become rich themselves) need to take a step back reassess their philosophy. They need to determine if technology really can address the goals derived from their philosophy. If it can then they start the hard work of building it. If it can't, then there's the even harder work of pruning away the goals derived from their philosophy that can't be achieved by tech, software, etc.

For myself, the core part of the philosophy that I think is fundamentally flawed is the "trustless" pillar. I think it may be fundamentally impossible to build something systemic to the infrastructure of society that does not, at a fundamental level, also rely on trust to one degree or another. Bruce Schneier's book Liars and Outliers is an excellent exploration on the topic of trust, and it's hard to come away from that book & still believe in the vision of a truly trustless financial system which, at some level, underpins a great majority of our lives.

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So, having been around since the early bitcoin days, core to the salespitch back then was the fact you would have control. You'd have your coins in your wallet, and no need for banks etc. Apparently nobody does this anymore, and gives their wallets to these exchanges (i.e. banks) and balks when the obvious happens in pyramid schemes. People just don't get distributed currency if they promptly undistribute it. Or is i…

The same thing has happened with git over time, no? Decentralized source control, forking whatever you want/have access to when you have a flash of inspiration, etc. Now everything is in github, gitlab, or bitbucket, and centralized there.

Pretty good analogy. Discovery and trade (clones/PRs) are so much easier in a centralized system.

At one point I asked (rather naively - not trying to sound wise here) whether our dependence on GitHub was an outage risk. Response from CTO was that git is distributed and everyone has a copy and whatnot. In retrospect, yeah, the code is not lost, but we had never actually built the infrastructure / tested the procedures to actually handle that fallback to a distributed world...

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#558

How likely is this cascade to reach Binance?

Small sample set, but I recently saw a poll on a DeFi fb group that I'm in and the question was: "where are you moving your crypto during this sh*t show?"

The majority of the people answered 'binance'.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BlockFI was offering 8.5% APY on deposits. FTX was offering 8% A true exchange, where you just buy and sell, will never pause withdrawals because they won't be acting with these ponzi-like methods A decentralized exchange won't give you free money, so less people will use it. Also the same with a centralized exchange offering you 0% APY and full liquidity at all times. You could build one, but will people sign up?

> A true exchange, where you just buy and sell, will never pause withdrawals because they won't be acting with these ponzi-like methods Coinbase is also offering APY on its deposits through Coinbase Rewards, as does Binance. This "true exchange" sounds like the no-true-Scotsman fallacy. Literally no one does what you claim. Everyone in the cryptocoin world is doing this "staking" == crappy loans / bonds business.

I mean, what are they doing to generate you that money, and how safe is it?

FTX gave customer deposits to Alameda, without much knowledge I'd guess they wanted Alameda to generate that 8% APY, but customers weren't in the know

"literally no one does what you claim", except in the FIAT world, which I see crypto enthusiasts claim FTX was under just as strict government oversight as a FIAT exchange/bank

If your point is to say, even Coinbase are risking traders money, then yeah they are. If someone were to build "the TD ameritrade" of the crypto world, I guess they'd fail because they aren't giving away free money

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#560

How likely is this cascade to reach Binance?

How much of Binance's $500-million worth of FTT did they manage to salvage before FTT / FTX went bankrupt? We already know that Binance had at least one giant pile of FTT, as they tweeted about this before FTX / FTT troubles started to go down. In some sense, it has already reached Binance. The real question is whether or not Binance has enough funds to weather that kind of storm.

Depends on the cost basis. When FTT was created Binance could have received 500MM worth of tokens for providing say 10MM of UST. Such is common for early token sales to gain support of large players to convince commoners to pump the token.
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