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Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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"At this point I'm convinced Satoshi Nakamoto was actually a public administration professor trying to teach kids why financial institutions have the rules in place that they do. Given enough time, the entire crypto space will have reinvented every regulation they tried to get rid of and understood why they existed in the first place."

Centralized exchanges are the polar opposite of what Satoshi was advocating for.

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#193
post #119

"At this point I'm convinced Satoshi Nakamoto was actually a public administration professor trying to teach kids why financial institutions have the rules in place that they do. Given enough time, the entire crypto space will have reinvented every regulation they tried to get rid of and understood why they existed in the first place."

This was a failure of traditional financial institutions and people who are ok with them, not of crypto. Satoshi wouldn't be encouraging people to put their coins on a trusted third party like that. All fundamental crypto values say this.

Then it proves that crypto is flawed for other reasons.

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Crypto exchanges act like brokers and exchanges. They match orders and they also hold client money.

> match orders and they also hold client money Matching orders is what brokers canonically do. Exchanges came about to consolidate their activity. There is nothing resembling a true exchange in the crypto space.

OK, so it's bucket shop and an exchange. With a side order of boiler room.

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#195
post #108

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An exchange shouldn't count deposited crypto as their asset. It is an asset of their customer. I do not think the actual problem here is crypto exchanges being unprofitable. Even if a crypto exchange goes under, it could (and frankly should ) still be able to go under gracefully, e.g. letting all customers withdraw their assets for a month (and E-Mailing private keys as a last resort). The issue here is crypto exchan…

You can say that, but when MtGox went bankrupt, and also lost 4 fifths of its stored crypto, the court just heaped together all assets into one big pile and all creditors into one big pile and let them fight it out. So now there's a bunch of assholes including but not limited to Peter Vessenes, that are suing the bankrupt entity for billions (completely frivolous of course) and all the depositors have waited for 8 ye…

Well, let's not forget that BTC has gone up from $300 to $15,000 in the meantime, meaning those fractions are still worth 50x what they were back in 2014. Although who knows what the value of BTC will be once the funds are released, which is itself an event that's likely to crash the market through oversupply.

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#196
post #13

I believe in Crypto, but have less than zero faith in "Big Crypto" The whole point of the tech is that centralized players are simply not needed. Why did an engineer design a system where they're not needed? Because they commit fraud whenever given a chance. Greed and ignorance is what reinstalled them into the stack.

There are plenty of ways to commit fraud with fully decentralized protocols. For example, build in a well hidden backdoor, and then steal all the users funds with it (via a good VPN of course, so nobody knows it was you, and you can publicly claim you were hacked).

> you can publicly claim you were hacked

1) What

2) H

Ref: https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1591989554881658880

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#197
post #162

> Due to the failure of our third-party partner, some users' balance data were found abnormally recorded in our system. Hence, limiting our services to prevent further risks, the technical team has had to manually proofread and restore the system to ensure maximum accuracy of all users’ holdings. "Abnormally recorded" ... "prevent further risks" ... "manually proofread" ... "maximum accuracy". Wow.

It actually makes sense if they were “dropshipping” lol, which an exchange might do to increase liquidity. In other words, when you deposited to their exchange they actually held your money and executed your trades at FTX for certain pairs. Then FTX suddenly zeroed everyone’s balances (! or at least many people’s) so their crappy scraping system overwrote your old balance with zero and they have to manually check bac…

I think it's safer to assume they saw the implosion of FTX and figured now was a good time to take the money and run. No crypto exchange deserves the benefit of the doubt in the court of public opinion; everybody is safer if they assume all crypto exchanges are thieving snakes.

At the very least, if you really want to be in on the crypto thing, keep the funny money yourself in your own wallet, and wait a few years/decades for government regulation to catch up before you trust any crypto exchange.

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#198
post #149

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And that's largely because of the lack of regulation that so many cryptocurrency fans tout. If it's not legally regulated as a currency, or a security, or anything of the sort, then why would it be considered to belong to you, and not Mt Gox, once you've given it to them? All you have is a digital account that's basically the legal equivalent of an IOU on a napkin. Welcome to your libertarian utopia.

Defi is not this. In defi exchanges you place your coins into a smart contract or have them always on your account. If anything a crypto exchange is a misnomer as it's not even needed. The only reason it exists is because smart contracts didn't exist when they first started.

>The only reason it exists is because smart contracts didn't exist when they first started.

Calm down. That is not true. Smart contract based exchanges do not let people exchange real money into crypto. There will always need to be offchain exchanges for trading USD for crypto. Additionally, trading off chain is much cheaper than on chain.

Centralized exchanges will always exist because people want on / off ramps, people want low fees, and because people are willing to trust others.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a failure of traditional financial institutions and people who are ok with them, not of crypto. Satoshi wouldn't be encouraging people to put their coins on a trusted third party like that. All fundamental crypto values say this.

Then it proves that crypto is flawed for other reasons.

Literally a non-argument lol

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#200
post #119

"At this point I'm convinced Satoshi Nakamoto was actually a public administration professor trying to teach kids why financial institutions have the rules in place that they do. Given enough time, the entire crypto space will have reinvented every regulation they tried to get rid of and understood why they existed in the first place."

This was a failure of traditional financial institutions and people who are ok with them, not of crypto. Satoshi wouldn't be encouraging people to put their coins on a trusted third party like that. All fundamental crypto values say this.

Unfortunately, absent the crypto exchanges, which let you easily convert crypto to fiat, there is no reason why crypto has any value. Given that bitcoin transaction times are nowhere near VISA or cash times, bitcoin is fairly useless to purchase things in person and few online vendors take bitcoin alone (most use an exchange to convert bitcoin to cash instantly).

So without exchanges, there is literally no purpose or use of bitcoin. Currently it mainly serves as a way to record a store of fiat value.

There is no conspiracy here. The reason exchanges came into being and were successful was that there was no other purpose to bitcoin. Few users successfully use bitcoin as it was intended.

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