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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by jdright »

rejectfinite wrote: post #277

And so many people are okay coming into another country and wage dump because "its their right" to move halfway across the world to work in the USA or EU. See stuff like: https://www.thelocal.se/20070523/7387/ You can't have it both ways. ---- I guess this is just CBS being racist :) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-h-1b-visas-have-been-abused ... "But this week on 60 Minutes, correspondent Bill Whitaker reports that…

You have zero clue of what you're talking about, don't shame yourself this bad in public.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by mlindner »

mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

> For all you budding Elons, here's a shorthand for it. If you ask someone to move across the world and don't need them anymore, give them three months on the books to find somewhere else that don't count against their visa. It will give them a chance to get settled and go on interviews. Or don't recruit internationally.

It's amusing that even when the subject is completely unrelated to Elon Musk, people keep finding ways to drag him back into the conversation for some inexplicable reason.

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Post by unethical_ban »

lynx23 wrote: post #108
mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

So, you advocate that employees from abroad should have some sort of default lay-off protection? Why do you think this is fair?

Not immunity, but extra support perhaps, as their position is extra-vulnerable. Yes. Next question.

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Post by spamizbad »

mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

Totally agree. I have no love for FAANG but it seems like there’s a huge amount of tech worker resentment on HN. Whenever layoffs are announced there’s always cheering from some vocal group who is convinced those who got cut are facing some form of cosmic retribution for the perceived wrongdoings of the larger org (eg: censorship, bad product decisions, politics, or laziness). Here’s a case where you can’t project any of those grievances onto this employee because the man literally just started it’s a classic case of a LIFO layoff but people can’t help themselves it seems.

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Post by jonp888 »

vintagedave wrote: post #130
mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

> so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency Reading them, so am I. There is no sign of empathy: that understanding of another individual, the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes, that is fundamental to a healthy society and (IMO) personal integrity. I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay.…

If the total lack of employment rights (no maternity or paternity leave, no sick leave, no holidays, no protection against being fired) was applied in any other developed country, it would be the number 1 political topic every day until they were brought back.

Ask an American active in tech-orientated social media about it, they'll invariably say "Oh, well of course that doesn't affect people like me".

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Post by rejectfinite »

jdright wrote: post #311
rejectfinite wrote: post #277

And so many people are okay coming into another country and wage dump because "its their right" to move halfway across the world to work in the USA or EU. See stuff like: https://www.thelocal.se/20070523/7387/ You can't have it both ways. ---- I guess this is just CBS being racist :) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-h-1b-visas-have-been-abused ... "But this week on 60 Minutes, correspondent Bill Whitaker reports that…

You have zero clue of what you're talking about, don't shame yourself this bad in public.

Anything substantial you want to add?

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Post by cduzz »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #294
samatman wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solution is simple: Don't work for Facebook. Facebook is evil. When bad things happen to elite people who choose evil, sympathy is misplaced.

bad advice as this is their first layoff ever. so historically they were a safe job there was no way he could tell he would be laid off ahead of time

Meta is a company who's product is people sausage. Don't be surprised if they view the people who work at the sausage factory with the same regard they the people who are ground up and fed to advertisers.

Whatever they do to people who are weaker than you they'll do to you next. Or something like that.

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Post by chiefalchemist »

sofixa wrote: post #265
chiefalchemist wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fwiw I understand why people despise Don. But I don't understand the blind dedication to hate, especially when other politicians and leaders pull similar shenanigans and then there's crickets. If you're violently against X or Y that's fine. But apply the rules evenly, fairly, and rationally. When you hate so hard and so long that you lose your compass...that's irrational. The majority of Trump haters fall into this b…

> But I don't understand the blind dedication to hate, especially when other politicians and leaders pull similar shenanigans and then there's crickets Do feel free to share examples of other politicians mocking disabled people, or bragging about sexual assault, or trying a coup or any of the millions of transgressions of trump and not facing any criticism.

So unless someone uses the exact words, it's ok?

The hate is too strong in you and yours.

Hard pass. Have a nice day. And yeah, thanks for proving my point.

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Post by sbarre »

z9znz wrote: post #243

These scenarios don't just apply to being laid off. Another scenario which happens is that company ownership or control changes, and some key promises which were made to prospective employees get broken. I relocated to a big unpleasant city for a job early in my career, and the big promise from the hiring folks (all good people) was that "we hire at a low rate, but we give big raises fast". Their prime example was an…

I empathize with your story about being promised one thing and then not getting it..

But I think it's important to acknowledge that in most industries, you get a 2-5% raise maybe once a year, sometimes adjusted for cost of living if your employer is particularly good.

Getting an 8% raise after 6 months is actually pretty good, relative to the rest of the working world, even though it's not what you were promised (so I acknowledge that maybe you accepted a lower starting salary with the assumption it would go up quickly - and so definitely a "bum deal").

Even with all the problems we face, we (the tech industry) have it pretty good, relative to the rest of the working world.

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Post by peteradio »

scrollaway wrote: post #224
Veelox wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am assuming you haven't spent much time around the kind of people that didn't approve of the vaccine. Let me write out a string of thoughts that support saying empathy isn't a great core principle. At the start of the pandemic we are told it's no big deal. Then a few weeks later it's a massive deal. At first masks don't work so don't rush out and buy them. Then masks are mandatory in all public places. We then put…

Empathy isn’t the core principle of getting vaccinated. It’s just one of the reasons; and you cannot claim to be empathetic if you refuse to do it out of something that isn’t medical exemption. The actual reasons are self preservation and slowing down a pandemic. And when people don’t care about the latter, that is an easy tell that yeah they have zero empathy.

In order to guard against a future of mandated experimental treatments I refused to get vaccinated. I did this out of empathy for my children.
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