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Yes. It doesn't say anything about how they compensated him.
Is there always a dollar figure when some treatment becomes acceptable?
When the treatment is being fired, then yes.
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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
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That's only true if you're working entirely or mostly synchronously, which might be an indicator of inherent anti-patterns in your work culture and processes, e.g., lots of meetings instead of written documentation.
Like pair programming?
While in most organizations pair programming probably is far less common than pointless meetings, even then it's preferable to document the outcomes of pair programming sessions, so others can benefit from those results without having to have been there synchronously or in person.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
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Why do you think there is nothing wrong with a company doing that? Ethically? Legally?
Why should there be anything 'wrong' with laying off someone who has just joined, whether they've relocated or not? When companies decide on large re-orgs, whole teams, departments, business unit can go. That's just the way it is. Relocating is no protection against being laid off, be it legally or ethically. Companies can show empathy and that they care by providing support, as said.
> Relocating is no protection against being laid off, be it legally or ethically.
This is not one or the other.
Relocating should probably involve a minimum notice period, legally.
Especially in this particular case, the company for sure can afford it.
They're potentially destroying a person's life (or at least a few years of their life) with something like a 0.0000001% disturbance for the company.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Trivial and harmless? First, there's history. Second, the POTUS himself - self proclaimed enemy of divisiveness - yapped "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Which was a lie. A lie for which he has yet to acknowledge, let alone apologize for. The point is, people with an appreciation for history, and a willingness to exert their God given rights were being manipulated and maligned. That's not cool. That's not unifying.…
Not everybody on this website is American, you know.
And that has what to do with my comment? And the comment it was replying directly to?
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#255I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…
> you sell the majority of your earthly possessions Not only those. You give up being able to easily meet your family, friends, ... your favorite spot for hanging out is gone and you are in a completely different society, with other ways how things are done. And then in this case with just two days in you are probably still in some temporary housing. For staying you need to find a new job, quickly and a new apartment…
> with other ways how things are done.
When I immigrated to Canada, online ordering was not as ubiquitous as it is now. I needed to ask someone in the elevator where to buy a laundry basket. I had no idea. Come to think of, how on earth would you know? They do not give you a "handbook to Canadian living" when you land on an IM-1 visa.
Bookkeeper. Lawyer. Handyman. Figure all that out, again, as if those weren't hard enough in the first case.
These things are much harder than anyone would reasonably expect. I expected the change of friends, places etc but never occurred to me how hard it'll be to re-learn shopping.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#256Imho the real question here is, why is it that Meta keeps hiring right right until they do large layoff rounds? The kind of issue that requires large layoff rounds is not something that just materializes overnight, out of the blue. So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken…
> So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job
You know how many engineers can’t code right? I don’t think a check of whether someone can read the future is part of a management interview.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#257I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…
Solution is simple: Don't work for Facebook.
Facebook is evil. When bad things happen to elite people who choose evil, sympathy is misplaced.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
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> Trivial and harmless? First, there's history. Second, the POTUS himself - self proclaimed enemy of divisiveness - yapped "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Which was a lie. A lie for which he has yet to acknowledge, let alone apologize for. The point is, people with an appreciation for history, and a willingness to exert their God given rights were being manipulated and maligned. That's not cool. That's not unifying.…
You hit the nail on the head. It’s sad that people can’t see past their views to see the world for what it is.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
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Doesn't have to inevitable, though. They literally have all the data.
> Doesn't have to inevitable, though. They literally have all the data. Even if you have all the data, lets say there is a 4 person team being reduced to 3 during this redundancy - What do you do? Fire Anne instead of Peter purely because Peter joined the team more recently? Sure that sounds more fair for Peter, but it's less fair for Anne.
Sort of? Dealing and living with that dilemma is part of the job though.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
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Theoretically it is; practically corporations are implicitly immoral - they’re not human, they have no feelings, it’s only left to whatever (HR in this case) procedures are in place to ensure a positive outcome. Such procedures tend to fail when you move fast and break things.
No matter which way you try and slice it, there's always a human at the end of the decision. A human made the policies, a human made the layoff decision, a human decides to enforce policy.
While this is true, it is utterly infeasible for a company with tens of thousands of employees to consider the individual employee in their decisions.
They can perhaps consider actions which will result in large impacts to large numbers of employees (such as regulating the inflow a bit more to protect against sudden needs to dump 11,000 people). Hire fewer, more slowly, and they can then slowly and with more consideration lay off fewer people.