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Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by qiller »

ricardobeat wrote: post #358
clairity wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

first, it uses "PM" in the title, but note that upbase is a project management tool, not a product one. project management tooling could be viewed as a subset of product, but in other ways, project management is a related, but separate discipline. second, if your product management processes deliver no value to your colleagues, then you may need to work on that, perhaps more as an organization than an individual pm.…

> when folks complain about jira, ~99% of the time, it's a complaint about the process and people Not exactly. Most of the time, when people complain about JIRA they are complaining about its complexity, which gets exacerbated by PM's attempts to customize the system to their own liking, turning it into spaghetti. Even when the actual intended process is fine. That, and the slowness, subpar UI and arcane permissions…

The new UI is almost tolerable, but the permissions and workflow systems I totally agree, a convoluted mess

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by goodpoint »

nisten wrote: post #107
philippz wrote: post #71

Does it have offline support? This is the one thing I'm missing the most about Notion, Miro, Google Calendar, and all of this - offline support. In German trains, I'm offline, on flights, I'm often offline; while traveling, I'm often offline. Offline capabilities are often neglected.

It's rare to see offline support in a web app for a few reasons: LocalStorage is easy to use but too limited at 50Mb. WebSQL got deprecated by FireFox because of secuirty issues years ago ( albeit is still somewhat supported in Chrome ). The FileSystem API looked promising, and then google killed it. IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes, therefore requiring major hacks like absurd-sql to be performant. I…

> LocalStorage is easy to use but too limited at 50Mb.

50MB is plenty for time/project tracking, calendar & similar.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by iudqnolq »

postcoroner wrote: post #165
mgkimsal wrote: post #157

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> This is not really a problem because if you have not used the app for one week, you can just replicate the data from the server again. You can't if you haven't been able to push up the data for a week. But in that case, you'd just have to remember to 'use it' ever day or so. Had a use case a few years back for data collection app in remote African villages. There were definitely situations where a week without dece…

Cool, but we are talking about a PM tool here, so what really matters is people having no/slow internet for a short period of time.

"I lost data because I went on a vacation" is not an acceptable failure mode. Users understand "no data is saved" or "all data is saved," complex rules will lead to pain.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by osigurdson »

escot wrote: post #315
osigurdson wrote: post #57

One thing I've always wanted in a tool like this is the ability to map out probabilities, i.e., we do A, then B but after that we do either C,D or E. Each one on these has an associated probability (C: 0.4, D: 0.5, E: 0.1) and an associated estimate (C: 10 +- 5 normal, D: 12 +- 3 uniform, E: 3 +-1 normal). The UI would look like a graph and like ms project it could include resource levelling in order to show bottlene…

You could try TreeAge for mapping out probabilities: https://www.treeage.com/ And just as a plug, I made https://www.knotend.com which is a keyboard-centric flowchart editor you can use to map dependencies. Im working in adding computation and probability like you say.

Thanks. I'll keep my eye on knotend.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by ar_lan »

systemicdanna wrote: post #336
ar_lan wrote: post #211

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So far paper and pen is still effectively the most malleable productivity environment that conforms to all my needs.

Only for personal use though. Any team of 2+ people will struggle to keep track of paper notes.

Oh, completely agree!

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by drc500free »

jimduk wrote: post #349
leokennis wrote: post #334

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That is super interesting. To build “the one tool” you’d then need to actually build five tools (one with tickets and commits and pipelines for engineers, one for sales etc.) and find a way to “translate” from one to the other. Like, how do you translate git commits and tests run to “project Y is now Z% done”?

Did this in a shortlived startup 20 yrs ago. Other cofounder was the ideas guy. Pitch was to roll up granular, factual project achievements up into reporting data , and cascade objectives down. This avoids the red/amber/green fictional layer between PMs and sponsors. Learned two interesting things - if your tool mandates a philosophy or process, you massively shrink your market - real pms , sponsors and engineer s bu…

Two really insightful learnings, especially that second one. A lot of meetings are pageantry, with decisions made through backchannels and off-the-record pre-meetings. Moving from a meeting to an online system doesn't remove that need.

I worked on an HR system recently, and "continual feedback" is all the rage. Folks have realized that those annual reviews and PIPs are completely divorced from reality - if we gave people continuous, incremental feedback they could course correct much more regularly. That ought to reduce the emotional shock of a PIP or a bad review, and also the time lost before the employee improves.

So performance review systems have started adding the ability to officially record weekly 1:1 meeting notes, and then getting confused that no one is using this oft-requested feature. Of course any honest feedback is purely verbal, or stored in shared documents kept as far away from HR as possible. The very fact that it's an Official HR Record makes it completely useless for purposes of getting truly honest feedback in there.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by drc500free »

tonypham wrote: post #351
drc500free wrote: post #329

Firstly, congratulations on your launch! My personal opinion as a Product Manager is that there is no all-in-one tool, there never will be an all-in-one tool, and anyone promising an all-in-one tool has some significant blinders on around the job functions they have been exposed to. Sales will use Salesforce. Engineering will use JIRA. And Product will use some generic roadmap-first tool like Asana, Trello, Miro, Mon…

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, drc500free. That is a very interesting comment. For solos and small teams with simple workflows, I think they'll be able to use some types of "all-in-one" tools to manage their work. For large teams with complex processes, I agree with you that there are no all-in-one tools that could work well for all functions.

Thanks, and best of luck! It's at least 10,000 times easier to lob comments your way than actually build the thing, so please take everything with a grain of salt.

I've seen a lot of Monday/Asana/Trello islands in larger orgs, where someone got a foothold for their 3-10 person team but now it can't ever scale. To some extent, using those tools is betting that you'll never actually be successful (if success will require scaling the people/functions that need to be involved). What's the plan for your customers once their thing works and they want to grow?

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by exotree »

You write that this is more focused on personal productivity, yet everything from your copy to the features seems to be focused on teams.

There’s nothing wrong with that, but what I am taking away as someone who wants a personal PM tool from your positioning is that most future updates will be team productivity focus rather than individual productivity. Therefore, I shouldn’t invest in it as an individual.

Really cool PM tool overall tho!

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