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Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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I am the author of https://Nestful.app (there's some overlap, but we do not seem to compete). I have built it after being through the same ordeal, and have come to the conclusion that the tool is not the main hurdle, especially at the level of Trello or Asana, which are very high quality tools. The lack of productivity comes from the methodology those tools implement. Their methodologies contributed a whole lot but b…

This seems cool, but I'd definitely focus on explaining the methodology a bit more. I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to be using it...

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Does it have offline support? This is the one thing I'm missing the most about Notion, Miro, Google Calendar, and all of this - offline support. In German trains, I'm offline, on flights, I'm often offline; while traveling, I'm often offline. Offline capabilities are often neglected.

Have you tried Obsidian with its Kanban plug-in? If so, I’d love to learn what you make of options like that?

I haven't tried it yet. Will take the time to check it out. Thanks for your suggestions.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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post #133

I am the author of https://Nestful.app (there's some overlap, but we do not seem to compete). I have built it after being through the same ordeal, and have come to the conclusion that the tool is not the main hurdle, especially at the level of Trello or Asana, which are very high quality tools. The lack of productivity comes from the methodology those tools implement. Their methodologies contributed a whole lot but b…

Is there a way to see what your app does / how it does, without signing up with an e-mail?

Not yet, but fairly easy to explain, in its current state. Nestful is a todo list app that can display items in Kanban or List view, and in which each item is also a board itself (hence the product name). That is it (for now ;))

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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There is another competitor, perhaps, which is any simple, agreed-upon way to share data. For example, a Google doc and a calendar. That also has downsides, but that's probably what I would try before Trello etc. Are you trying to attract those types of people?

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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post #107

Does it have offline support? This is the one thing I'm missing the most about Notion, Miro, Google Calendar, and all of this - offline support. In German trains, I'm offline, on flights, I'm often offline; while traveling, I'm often offline. Offline capabilities are often neglected.

It's rare to see offline support in a web app for a few reasons: LocalStorage is easy to use but too limited at 50Mb. WebSQL got deprecated by FireFox because of secuirty issues years ago ( albeit is still somewhat supported in Chrome ). The FileSystem API looked promising, and then google killed it. IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes, therefore requiring major hacks like absurd-sql to be performant. I…

In other words, native apps still have a place and will for the foreseeable future.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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post #107

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It's rare to see offline support in a web app for a few reasons: LocalStorage is easy to use but too limited at 50Mb. WebSQL got deprecated by FireFox because of secuirty issues years ago ( albeit is still somewhat supported in Chrome ). The FileSystem API looked promising, and then google killed it. IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes, therefore requiring major hacks like absurd-sql to be performant. I…

> 2GB of persistent storage 2 GB is a lot when you store plain json document data. > IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes Only when you need a new transaction per write. Writing many documents in a single tx is not slow [1] > Safari are known to delete IndexedDB after 1 week This is not really a problem because if you have not used the app for one week, you can just replicate the data from the server aga…

> This is not really a problem because if you have not used the app for one week, you can just replicate the data from the server again.

You can't if you haven't been able to push up the data for a week.

But in that case, you'd just have to remember to 'use it' ever day or so.

Had a use case a few years back for data collection app in remote African villages. There were definitely situations where a week without decent data access were possible, and 'offline' became a requirement.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your feedback. Your methodology of "spontaneous productivity" is pretty interesting to me. Will take some time to check out your app. BTW, love your minimalist landing page.

I am positive it can be implement in a business oriented app to the same extent I am trying to implement it in a personal environment. And if it doesn't fit -- surely there are other methodologies that both advance the field and fit the product.

After thinking about this, I would absolutely love an up-front opinionated "this is what you need to work on next" UI in all the productivity and management apps I have to use at work.

Will keep an eye on your app going forward

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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post #70

Very polished, I'm impressed! It seems like everyone ends up recreating a PM or todo tool at some point. It makes me wonder if there could be a world where we have a standard protocol/api and then anyone can bring their own preferred interface?

> if there could be a world where we have a standard... Probably not.

That's the great thing about standards, there's so many to choose from!
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