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A gut-derived hormone suppresses sugar appetite/regulates food choice Drosophila

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Re: A gut-derived hormone suppresses sugar appetite/regulates food choice Drosophila

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> I was able to drop meat, most dairy, and salty junk food without problem. You are doing this completely in reverse. You need to drop sugar & carbs. And eat fatty-meat/low-carb.

No. I will not eat industrially produced meat. I dropped that a long time ago. Meat from local farmers with ethical practices is a sometimes food. Dairy is sugar... I'll have some cottage cheese or other cheeses. And salty junk food (chips, cheese crackers, etc) is almost always high carb.

Like Eminem said: Be smart, don't be a retard.

See keto diet. (I do it and carnivore).

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A diet that doesn't take into account the factors that lead someone to overeat is useless by definition. If "most people can't follow this simple principle" then evidently it's a useless principle. Unless the goal is to point fingers to feel better about yourself, in which case it's pretty useful.

What are you talking about? If you eat a diet that has the required number of calories and nutrients designed for a healthy-weight person, your body weight will drop accordingly. The factors that lead someone to overeat is a totally different question the answer to which should be figured out by themselves or maybe their psychologist. In most cases it's not that dire though, once their initial withdrawal from fast fo…

> If you eat a diet that has the required number of calories and nutrients designed for a healthy-weight person, your body weight will drop accordingly.

Thanks for explaining thermodynamics to me, I guess?

> once their initial withdrawal from fast food stops people stop having these impulses to reach for a doughnut each time they're inconvenienced

Statistically, most people who try to eat less fail to do it. Why do you think you don't you have the impulse to reach for a donut each time you're inconvenienced?

I guess it's more comfortable to just call them lazy, but it's utterly useless and un-actionable at a societal and personal level. Diets have to be all about managing the sensation of hunger while maintaining such a caloric deficit. CICO amounts to "Just eat less lol"

Re: A gut-derived hormone suppresses sugar appetite/regulates food choice Drosophila

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Being on prescription meds is almost like the junkie paraphernalia with shooting up insulin and popping high bloodpressure meds. Doesn't is sound like a biological crutch for low-quality habits (fake food, cascading health issues, unhealthy environments,etc)? Hormone treatments appear to be guinea pig experiments with lifelong consequences.

Sadly, it's quite hard to fix the environment, since we're communally invested into the current system.

Happily, individuals always have a choice :)

I've laughed several times already at "culture clumping" and "lifestyle clumping".

Being a technology native, I had good timing and got to grow up with the "golden library" that was the information superhighway.

The kids nowadays have to filter more tabloid info/illiteracy in a day than I had to in the course of years. I got to skip late-stage television too :p

Innovation in the 21st century is soooooooo much better than anything fiction has to offer.

Re: A gut-derived hormone suppresses sugar appetite/regulates food choice Drosophila

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But that right there is a difference between you and other humans. The idea of "searching for a diet that allows you to gain weight" is absolutely alien to me. I can easily get to 5000 calories a day without even thinking about it, while you have to make a conscious effort to reach (I assume) much less than that. My sister and I grew up with the same diet. We didn't starve, but neither of us had lots of access to jun…

I think that you have misread my comment. I have said "a diet to avoid gaining weight", not "a diet that allows gaining weight". If I eat more than 1900 ... 2000 kcal per day, I gain weight rapidly, so the problem was reducing the amount of energy intake so much, while ensuring an adequate daily intake of proteins and of any other essential nutrients, and without feeling that I am starving. I agree that there are dif…

Yeah, sorry, I misread that. I guess the gist of what I mean is that it's a much easier choice for some than it is for others.

Re: A gut-derived hormone suppresses sugar appetite/regulates food choice Drosophila

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The analogy between salt and sugar does not really work. Sugar is not an essential nutrient. You can eat absolutely no sugar without any ill effect. If you eat some starchy vegetables, that provides all the carbohydrates you need. Even if you want to eat 6000 kcal as carbohydrates, you can eat that easily from rice/maize/bread/potatoes etc., with no sugar. In fact it is much easier to eat a huge amount of food when i…

For cycling, sugar (really a mix of glucose and fructose, which sucrose or sugar is an even mix of) is a necessary component to a fueling strategy because even a marginally fit individual will burn more in an hour than can be processed by the glucose pathway alone. The goal isn’t to meet some daily allotment, but to get as much high GI carbs into the bloodstream as your gut can take, as fast as possible. This has bee…

You are right, but this is a very specific circumstance when the required power output is so high that it exceeds the capacity of the intestine for glucose absorption.

As you say, in order to achieve the maximum power output that can be sustained for a long time, i.e. in aerobic effort, you also need fructose, i.e. sugar, besides glucose, to reach the maximum rate of carbohydrate absorption in the intestine.

However the vast majority of the humans may never encounter during their entire lives a circumstance when they need to produce a sustained power output so high that it is limited by the intestinal absorption (and without an appropriate training their muscles would not be able to sustain so much power anyway), so they never need to eat sugar. They eat it only because it tastes good.

Re: A gut-derived hormone suppresses sugar appetite/regulates food choice Drosophila

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What are you talking about? If you eat a diet that has the required number of calories and nutrients designed for a healthy-weight person, your body weight will drop accordingly. The factors that lead someone to overeat is a totally different question the answer to which should be figured out by themselves or maybe their psychologist. In most cases it's not that dire though, once their initial withdrawal from fast fo…

> If you eat a diet that has the required number of calories and nutrients designed for a healthy-weight person, your body weight will drop accordingly. Thanks for explaining thermodynamics to me, I guess? > once their initial withdrawal from fast food stops people stop having these impulses to reach for a doughnut each time they're inconvenienced Statistically, most people who try to eat less fail to do it. Why do y…

> Statistically, most people who try to eat less fail to do it.

Yep, because the secret is simple, not easy. Whereas people want to find some high-tech wunderwaffen arcane diet that will be hyper complex but easy to follow and will lead to effortless results.

There was this documentary on yt[0] where a fitness model gained lots of weight on purpose to lose it, and even he had mood swings and initially had problems with following his diet regimen when it was time to lose the weight. But point still stands, if you stick with the diet your weight will drop.

[0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7g7AqGqzo

Re: A gut-derived hormone suppresses sugar appetite/regulates food choice Drosophila

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What doesn’t make sense about your statement is that CICO evangelists don’t claim that appetite or that satiation isn’t a problem. One of the best examples I know of is Greg Doucette. He specifically preaches CICO because for 95-99% of people it is about putting the fork down. It’s a generalization because, more often than not you aren’t controlling your intake if you are overweight. There will always be the minority…

> It’s a generalization because, more often than not you aren’t controlling your intake if you are overweight. There will always be the minority that truly have hormonal imbalances and need assistance losing weight. But we know it's not a minority. Most people who try to eat less fail, repeatedly, for all of their lives.

But it is.

It’s because people who ‘try’ their whole lives yo-yo diet or crash diet and that’s

1) unsustainable 2) extremely likely to result in more long term weight gain 3) very unhealthy for your body to constantly be fluctuating in weight so rapidly

If you are eating right (let me be very clear here, right doesn’t mean whole 30 or some vegan diet: it means calories within the means to not add or lose weight which is called maintenance) you are not going to fluctuate in weight very much.

The majority of people in America are overweight because they lack basic understanding of nutrition, don’t exercise enough (still you cannot outwork a bad diet), self-control thus overeat or some permutation of all three.

It’s straight up a bold face lie to say that the majority of people have hormonal problems otherwise we would have a national crisis on our hands with something that we should drop our jobs for right now and study because our water or air or food is heavily impacting our hormones to cause every single person on earth to gain weight.

If losing and maintaining a healthy weight was easy, we would have put it into a pill already.

Not to mention you don’t need to be in a caloric deficit your whole life. Hell you could even be 15% BF and maintain that for 40+ years.

Most people adopt those fad diets and realize how much they hate it because it’s so restrictive.

The main goal of a good and healthy caloric intake is to basically eat the right foods you want to eat within the portion that allows you to maintain.

It’s pretty simple if you look at all the diets today - keto - intermittent fasting - vegan/ vegetarian - whole 30 - carnivore

It’s all an aim to put guard rails on your diet by making some foods ‘off limits’. CICO literally calorie restriction by cutting out entire groups of food.

It’s not sustainable because everyone eventually runs out of will power and wants a donut.

The key is, track your caloric intake. Micro-adjust to get to a healthy weight. Maintain.

You should be able to eat the foods you wanna eat the rest of your life on a good diet, just less of them and you need to find foods that satiate you personally well to counteract overeating.

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> If you eat a diet that has the required number of calories and nutrients designed for a healthy-weight person, your body weight will drop accordingly. Thanks for explaining thermodynamics to me, I guess? > once their initial withdrawal from fast food stops people stop having these impulses to reach for a doughnut each time they're inconvenienced Statistically, most people who try to eat less fail to do it. Why do y…

> Statistically, most people who try to eat less fail to do it. Yep, because the secret is simple, not easy. Whereas people want to find some high-tech wunderwaffen arcane diet that will be hyper complex but easy to follow and will lead to effortless results. There was this documentary on yt[0] where a fitness model gained lots of weight on purpose to lose it, and even he had mood swings and initially had problems wi…

I'm gonna ignore this whole "fitness model gaining weight on purpose" because I don't even know how to respond to you thinking this is somehow relevant. What it does show me is that you're quite unwilling to imagine yourself in others' shoes.

I'm not continuing this conversation, but let me just tell you: if you don't feel a strong impulse, you don't need that much self-control to not act upon it. So you should think about what's actually so different about you compared to all those fat people.

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Advice from a T2 Diabetic and regular Keto dieter. If you have never given up sugar before, it will take at least 6-8 weeks of non-use before the cravings go away. These will be some of the hardest weeks too. 1) everything has sugar in it, and you have to absolutely avoid it, not just sweets, fruits, juices, I'd even tell you diet drinks and artificial sweeteners too. That means no ketchup, sauces, breads, and most p…

> everything has sugar in it, and you have to absolutely avoid it, not just sweets, fruits, juices, I'd even tell you diet drinks and artificial sweeteners too. That means no ketchup, sauces, breads, and most processed and store bought foods. Realistically how do you avoid sugar like this? Soft drinks, candy, and other artificial stuff are easy enough to avoid, but most bread? Fruits? What are you supposed to eat and…

> What specifically are you saying needs to be avoided btw?

Carbs, all of them, as much as you can.

Gotta think on the lines of what did human bodies evolve to process and use. Since sugar sources weren't always available, our bodies make all the glucose we need to live. We don't need sugar or carbs at all. Sure our body's do like them because it's easier for our bodies to process carbs to glucose than to make it from fats and other amino acids. This means our brain signals to eat more of the sugary stuff because its "free" energy.

> Are you suggesting people eat pure meat and lettuce and eggs for 6-8 weeks?

Kinda. It's scary yes, but as your body switches over to eating less carbs, it has to work harder to convert non carbs into things it can use. This levels out your blood sugar levels which in turn makes you less hungry.

> It would be so much more helpful to give some examples of sample diets people could actually follow.

My diet when I'm in the zone so to speak (Keto + intermittent fasting), looks like the following.

First meal around 1pm. Salad - a store bought green mix, might have a little carrot with it, various lettuce (not iceberg or just romaine), I might throw in an egg, a serving of a protein (anything from steak, lunch meat, tuna or salmon), some cheese, maybe something salty (olives or peppers) and some kind of non-sugary dressing (ranch, blue cheese, oil and vinegar), water or unsweet tea.

About 3pm - 5pm is a mixed bag and might be a snack or meal, and depends on hunger levels. This can be some nuts (almonds typically), cheese, lunch meat, protein shake, or just left overs.

7-8pm I'll have dinner. Bunless burgers are common, or just some source of protein and a veggie side. I like chicken, beef, pork, fish. You can make all kinds of stuff with them. Bake it, grill it, fry it (without breading). Meatloaf is good. Lots of good recipe sites, maybe you like tacos, so you can have them with low carb tortillas. Asian dishes work out too, as long as you modify them. Cauliflower can be subbed for rice.

8-9pm I'm likely to have another snack.

9pm-1pm - Water. I'll eat if my blood sugar levels demand it. But on a typical day, I avoid anything that needs to be digested.

Re: A gut-derived hormone suppresses sugar appetite/regulates food choice Drosophila

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> Statistically, most people who try to eat less fail to do it. Yep, because the secret is simple, not easy. Whereas people want to find some high-tech wunderwaffen arcane diet that will be hyper complex but easy to follow and will lead to effortless results. There was this documentary on yt[0] where a fitness model gained lots of weight on purpose to lose it, and even he had mood swings and initially had problems wi…

I'm gonna ignore this whole "fitness model gaining weight on purpose" because I don't even know how to respond to you thinking this is somehow relevant. What it does show me is that you're quite unwilling to imagine yourself in others' shoes. I'm not continuing this conversation, but let me just tell you: if you don't feel a strong impulse, you don't need that much self-control to not act upon it. So you should think…

Ok, best of luck to you on your journey
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