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Re: How to hack the simulation?

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> [...] in addition to several respected thinkers who have explicitly shared their probability of believe with regards to living in a simulation (ex. Elon Musk >99.9999999%, Nick Bostrom 20-50%, Neil deGrasse Tyson 50%, Hans Moravec “almost certainly”, David Kipping These "respected thinkers" would do well to go back to the roots of philosophy, which is wonder and uncertainty. The sheer amount of arrogance necessary…

I'd suggest reading up on this a bit more before passing judgment. Certainly some of these people are full of hot air, but it is actually reasonable to put ballpark numbers on the probability. There's currently one big unknown around this: is it even possible to simulate reality to the fidelity that we seem to observe around ourselves? If the answer is yes, then the probability that our reality is simulated does actu…

> but it is actually reasonable to put ballpark numbers on the probability

Not if those "ballpark numbers" are just gut instinct dressed up in order to appear more credible than a simple "uhhm, maybe?".

> is it even possible to simulate reality to the fidelity that we seem to observe around ourselves?

Nobody knows the answer, and nobody knows a realistic path to finding the answer in the near or medium future. Any claims to the contrary are just extrapolations from the knowledge and technologies available to us, which are utterly insufficient to cope with problems anywhere near that magnitude.

> Would you say that it's also pointless to try to estimate the probability that there is intelligent life on other planets?

Yes. In fact, I would go so far as to say that concepts such as the Drake equation are bordering on pseudoscience. The "science" angle simply doesn't add anything of value here. The Drake equation says little more than "probabilities can be chained by multiplication", which again is just a complicated way of stating an intuitive fact. Without estimates for the key factors (such as the probability that life develops into intelligent life), the equation doesn't provide any actual insight, whereas once those probabilities are known, the equation becomes trivially obvious.

I believe that the simple statement "we have no idea whether intelligent life exists outside the solar system" is not only obviously correct, but shows a deeper understanding of the problem than the Drake equation does. Recognizing when no actual knowledge is available can be a profound insight – far more profound than believing you have made progress because you've split the question into smaller questions.

Re: How to hack the simulation?

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The problem with finding and abusing exploits is that it leads to them getting patched and the timeline reverts. Every time a game-breaking bug is exploited it gets patched and the simulation restarts. Even if you figure out a couple of juicy exploits and you manage to retain your memories across instances, congratulations you are still stuck in Samsara. My hypothesis is that the ability to remember across lifetimes…

Given enough people running enough simulations, I think it's safe to assume that some simulation-runners would deliberately not want to do as you describe. They might decide that they (as the simulation-runner) don't get "do overs", and must allow things to run their "natural" course.

If we are living in a simulated universe, it's of course anybody's guess as to which kind of simulation-runner we have.

Re: How to hack the simulation?

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> [...] in addition to several respected thinkers who have explicitly shared their probability of believe with regards to living in a simulation (ex. Elon Musk >99.9999999%, Nick Bostrom 20-50%, Neil deGrasse Tyson 50%, Hans Moravec “almost certainly”, David Kipping These "respected thinkers" would do well to go back to the roots of philosophy, which is wonder and uncertainty. The sheer amount of arrogance necessary…

> You don't know, at all. Why is it so difficult to just admit that to yourselves and others? When he says 50%, Neil deGrasse Tyson is quite literally saying "I don't know".

Why play number games when ordinary language semantics are sufficient?

Re: How to hack the simulation?

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There’s no way this isn’t a simulation lol. Like how can something not have a beginning or ending and just exist? Infinity is such a trippy concept. At least to a average intelligent guy like me.. maybe it’s kubernetes and when a universe fails it just gets restarted.. but then who made the k8s lol

Hopefully the hack is something like an ultra dose of shrooms or something biochemical like that which is the GUI into comprehending the various components of the simulation, because it’s simulations all the way down and above. A simulation for the simulation for the simulation. And a simulation that wraps that simulation.

I feel like I might go insane just thinking about it. Maybe I’ll deal with this Postgres bug tomorrow. What is tomorrow?

Re: How to hack the simulation?

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The problem with finding and abusing exploits is that it leads to them getting patched and the timeline reverts. Every time a game-breaking bug is exploited it gets patched and the simulation restarts. Even if you figure out a couple of juicy exploits and you manage to retain your memories across instances, congratulations you are still stuck in Samsara. My hypothesis is that the ability to remember across lifetimes…

I agree that one of the big dangers we have is not breaking the simulation. We run simulations to see what works best -- to test and experiment. We end our simulations when we know the answer or see that something isn't working (too many people dying from a new drug for instance).

So I am very concerned that we will reach a point like that, especially with our recent advances in technology.

Re: How to hack the simulation?

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> The easiest path to escape would be getting help from someone on the outside ideally from one or more of the simulators Well let me tell you chimps something - I am in fact on the outside. And some of you have indeed made contact. But since most of you are primarily obsessed with eating, fucking, accumulating bananas and fighting over bananas we have not received a single request for escape. Do any of you want to e…

To descend the abstractions; to be closer to the bare metal.

Re: How to hack the simulation?

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I may be repeating myself here, but I stopped indulging in simulation theory once I realized one simple concept: Simulation theory is deism for techies. Thousands of years ago the Greeks looked to the sky and used their modern tech to explain the mechanics of the heavens. Clearly it was Helios, who drove the chariot of the Sun across the sky each day. Simulation theory is meerly us techies applying our latest technol…

I agree to a limited extent. But deism implies belief. I'm agnostic to the theory, but enjoy imagining that we're in an astrophysicist's simulation, a detail that will go unnoticed because the PI is only looking at the evolution of stars -- that if there's a bug in the simulation, the universe will be unceremoniously rebooted. Much like the multiverse theory, it doesn't really get us anywhere unless somebody dreams up a testable hypothesis. Until then, it's an enjoyable thought experiment.

Re: How to hack the simulation?

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The problem with finding and abusing exploits is that it leads to them getting patched and the timeline reverts. Every time a game-breaking bug is exploited it gets patched and the simulation restarts. Even if you figure out a couple of juicy exploits and you manage to retain your memories across instances, congratulations you are still stuck in Samsara. My hypothesis is that the ability to remember across lifetimes…

> getting patched That assumes that finding a way out isn't the point of the simulation. I've always thought enlightenment or hallucinogens were the gateway.

"enlightenment or hallucinogens" These are just local things. I don't see how they are related to the simulation. Feel free to enlighten me.

Re: How to hack the simulation?

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> The easiest path to escape would be getting help from someone on the outside ideally from one or more of the simulators Well let me tell you chimps something - I am in fact on the outside. And some of you have indeed made contact. But since most of you are primarily obsessed with eating, fucking, accumulating bananas and fighting over bananas we have not received a single request for escape. Do any of you want to e…

The reason we would escape is that we believe the higher worlds are deeper spiritually than ours, and we wish to elevate our spiritually. But we do not seek to escape because our real work is to elevate the spiritual level of the world we are in.

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Re: How to hack the simulation?

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Quintillionaires of the future may pay for elaborate escape rooms wherein the entire universe is simulated. I still think if this is all just a simulation, it's some type of archeological study.

What if they ran the simulation for too long, and accidentally created advanced life? Ethically they would be forced to continue to run it, otherwise they would be committing murder.

As a consequence, their government may have banned these types of simulations, to avoid the responsibility of keeping it alive until life is extinct. We are one of the few simulations that are still running

If they simply created us by mistake, we may be very different from what they are. Even the laws of physics could be different.

It would explain the Fermi paradox. They could be stopping advanced life to evolve on other planets, as they want to reduce the scope of the simulation. They created us by mistake and are waiting for advanced life on this planet to become extinct, so that they can finally shut down the expensive simulation.

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