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US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Why is this causing USD/EUR exchange rate to fall? And in general USD to lose value compared to other currencies. My guess is that expectation of higher inflation was combined with expectation of further interest rate increases to combat it. Interest rate increases generally make currency more attractive for investments from abroad, which increases exchange rate. This expectation was "priced in" current exchanged rat…

That’s exactly why. It means US interest rates will perhaps not peak as high.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Shadowstats is bullshit for a number of reasons - you can read up on most of them on the official articles and publications and justifications on the BLS website -- which are generally written by statisticians with maths or econ PhDs with no vested political interest, unlike Shadowstats which is written by an MBA who needs to sell a newsletter.

But you can very easily debunk Shadowstats by just averaging the ridiculous CPI inflation number postulated by the Shadowstats dude over 2/3/4 decades, and put that compounded rate of 8% into a calculator and multiply it with a wage from 1990 or 2000 or whenever... And see that consumer goods/services can't have increased by that much or otherwise everyone would be destitute...

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Several commenters have provided various reasons year-over-year numbers are, to put it mildly, difficult to interpret. Another reason is that a major war in Europe started within this year, adding to the difficulty of Y0Y comparisons. The principal weapon deployed against the aggressor is economic warfare to collapse Russia's economy. That has only recently made an impact that can't be denied in Russia. Meanwhile, th…

You can't blame US inflation on the Russia war, this is a DNC misdirection. For the US at least, it should be a minor factor. The US were trading very little with Russia to begin with, even before the war. Russia's economy before the war was still smaller than California, New York or Texas. Waging economic warfare on a medium economy like that should not wreak the US, Europe or the World economies.

Energy and food prices are global, regardless of who trades with who. Try to be less nakedly partisan.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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How did student loan cancellation reverse inflation reduction when it's on hold due to legal challenges? No one has received a penny.

I haven’t been paying anything since non-penalized forbearance started. Why pay when interest is 0% and there’s no penalty for not paying? I’ve been using money that normally goes to loans for other bills. I imagine plenty of other people are buying more stuff with the money so i imagine it does contribute to inflation

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Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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The US has it easy, since the inflation was largely caused by lockdown stimulus, and also benefits from being the global reserve currency so it can leverage cheap imports as the interest rate rises increase the value of USD. I wouldn't be surprised if it's better in a few months, especially with the growing protectionism in the anti-inflation act, etc. and acts against Chinese competition, etc. keeping more industry…

> since the inflation was largely caused by lockdown stimulus This is a widely disproved myth.

Please explain how literally directly increasing the M1 money supply doesn't cause inflation.

Everyone got money for free. Things that are free, tend to have less value.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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That depends on how noisy or smooth the changes are. That's why it's valuable to look at both.

It may be - but to the above poster's point - if gas went up 20% in Jan of this year and then stays flat... is it helpful to think of prices as "going up" ? It seems misleading.

If the last time you looked was last year, then yeah. They went up this year.

What’s misleading about reporting yearly percentage increases in prices? I’m baffled.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Shadowstats is bullshit for a number of reasons - you can read up on most of them on the official articles and publications and justifications on the BLS website -- which are generally written by statisticians with maths or econ PhDs with no vested political interest, unlike Shadowstats which is written by an MBA who needs to sell a newsletter. But you can very easily debunk Shadowstats by just averaging the ridiculo…

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Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Of course they are. There was a much-watched video that went around a few weeks ago that composed quite a few CEOs talking about pushing the pricing envelope to take advantage of inflation news (effectively saying: "People now expect price increases, we can leverage that to our gain!"). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psYyiu9j1VI

There's not really much we can do about this. Artificial price ceilings were tried in Venezuela and it only contributed significantly to their massive food shortages they experienced. Most notably it resulted in a big reduction in the variety of food available because while some of the biggest companies could survive with the new lower prices (and work with the gov directly to set those prices) the bulk of small/medi…

There's not really much we can do about this.

Not directly or quickly, no. Fully agreed that price caps and other invasive measures are usually counterproductive.

I was only pointing out that in a market economy led by profit-seeking CEOs, pushing pricing up is expected. Listening to those clips, they sounds downright sociopathic, but it's just another Tuesday in America.

The best way to deal with this is likely ensuring workers are paid a fair living wage. And take the appropriate measures to curb the worst of the inflation.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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>Many Americans are illiterate on numbers and the economy too Many more pretend to be less literate than they are for ideological reasons. >still remember the classic example that a burger chain released a 1/3 pound burger to compete with another chain's 1/4 pound burger, and many people thought the 1/4 pound was bigger. This trope needs to be taken out back and shot. It wasn't that people didn't get it. It's that it…

There's certainly more than just the number confusion, but I specifically remember the case study we were looking at included a survey where a sizeable number of respondents said 1/4 was bigger than 1/3.

I don't know anything about this particular one, but just because it's a case study in a textbook doesn't mean it's true. There are lots of untruths that get propagated long after they've been debunked.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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How did student loan cancellation reverse inflation reduction when it's on hold due to legal challenges? No one has received a penny.

People don’t need to make payments, why bother making a payment if its going to get forgiven?

I would bother to make my payments because I would feel like shit if I took that much money from the American taxpayer without paying it back.
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