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US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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There is no possible way to make an inflation number that works for one person, let alone a whole country. The best you can do is have a statistic that you stay with and compare.

You could do like Canada and change the basket of goods based on consumer purchase data. Conveniently dropping or down-weighting items experiencing high inflation that the general population can no longer afford.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Finally the mania is slowing down. It seems the rate hikes and layoffs are working.

Probably too strong of a statement. I don't view this as a huge miss (.2%), and ask anyone you know on a fixed income what this is doing to their retirement. Ulitmately, it's the glut of cash out there (IMHO) that is going to need to resolve itself before inflation gets back to a normal level.

Whether it's through consumer price inflation or bond devaluation, retirees are affected by the economy.

There is no instrument or policy isolating them from it. The best you can do is diversify.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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I agree that inflation numbers aren't reliable on an individual basis. What people buy varirs too much across society and prices do not go up across all goods at the same rate. However, it is a relatively uniform comparison across time. You don't run into problems of selectivity. ("Hey, X costs twice as much. Inflation is out of control!") You also don't have changing purchasing habits skewing the perceived cost of living, if you compare grocery receipts from year to year (to choose one example).

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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There is no possible way to make an inflation number that works for one person, let alone a whole country. The best you can do is have a statistic that you stay with and compare.

Yes but that doesn’t mean we can’t have different baskets and look at that. Because “staple inflation” which covers food, water, electricity, gas, transportation, rent, and healthcare would be more useful measure for most Americans.

7% inflation with the current basket is meaningless to everyone but economists, but 20% inflation on the major household expenses tells you how much your bills are going to go up in real life.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are describing pretty much the Big Mac Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index

According to the Arizona Ice Tea index, there has been NO inflation.

Costco Hot Dog feels the same.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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I was just reading "Ray Dalio on the Downturn: 'There's a Lot More to Come'"[1], which said:

Inflation in the United States has risen 8.2 percent in the past 12 months. While the Federal Reserve’s long-term inflation target is 2 percent, Dalio predicted that the central bank will go for a more realistic target of around 4.5 to 5 percent.

Based on those numbers, he believes the real interest rate could land in between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. “Six starts to break things pretty bad,” Dalio said. “The vicinity of 4.5 and 6 may be the number in terms of cracking the thing.”

[1] - https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b20hpgzhxph5h5...

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Why is this downvoted ?

Because it’s antisocial behavior?

Reflexively casting doubt (without a counter-argument) on a number that the BLS has been publishing for decades using a transparent methodology isn’t helpful.

This number isn’t the “how much am I spending on groceries” number, it’s a much larger snapshot of the price levels across multiple industries. Nobody thinks it’s perfect, but it’s consistent.

You might not believe it, but Wall Street moves billions based on it. That’s ultimately the greatest vote of trust. If you think it’s wrong, you can put your money where your mouth is and trade against the consensus. That’s the beauty of the free market.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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The biggest lie of inflation numbers is that housing costs are explicitly excluded, but rent and mortgage are massive parts of most people's cost of living. Edit: I notice this article actually does include rent (but not the cost of buying a house), but from what I understand, it's usually excluded. Including rent but excluding purchase price is also weird.

Housing is definitely not excluded from CPI-U. It's right there in the second paragraph.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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It bears repeating because this is a common mistake in inflation discussions: a decrease in inflation metrics means price increases are slowing down, it doesn’t mean that prices are going down (that would require a negative CPI print). Also, this number is year over year, so the decrease just means the price increases between Oct 21 and Oct 22 are not as steep as between Sept 21 to Sept 22, which is not hard to achie…

For the mathematically inclined among us, dp/dt is still positive. It's d^2p/dt^2 that is slightly negative.
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