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Re: Meta lays off 11,000 people

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Post by mymyairduster »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #661
nokeya wrote: post #32

So, after Twitter and Meta layoffs there will be around 15,000 people looking for the job. In one moment. With other layoffs it can be counted over 20,000 people IMHO. Will this over flood the market and bring expectations and salaries down?

August US added 315K jobs including 68K professional services and 7K information (idk what those categories actually mean). There's jobs for everyone who was laid off, but unclear if they're as good/lucrative. source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/02/heres-where-the-jobs-are-for...

Yeah, it's a great time for these people to finally learn to code

Re: Meta lays off 11,000 people

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Post by webmobdev »

gfd wrote: post #704
Leires wrote: post #690

I'm sorry, but honestly fuck Meta. Conducting psychological experiments on users without consent, and enabling psyops from organizations like Cambridge Analytica, is enough for me to never use their services. I hope they implode as a company. I happily said no when people from meta approached me on LinkedIn.

Not saying it makes it okay, but every company in existence does this to some extent. Everyone does A/B testing with the intent to alter user behavior (aka psychology) to increase their profits.

You have a good point. But let's not forget that the Nazi's and the Japanese used to do incredibly invasive medical tests on human beings in the name of "science". (Even the Americans have done political and medical experiments on their citizens, using the CIA, on African Americans and criminals). All these are condemned today by the scientific community because of it caused great harm (or even death) to the subjects who never gave their consent to such experiments. The psychological experiments conducted by FB on its users was equally bad because it looked to trigger emotions in the users (a useful feature for an advertising platform), some of which could cause users to go into depression. I don't know if the FB people conducting those experiments are aware that even mild depression causes great stress on an individual, and serious depression triggers suicidal impulses.

(This is not an attack on you or your otherwise valid point. Just a reminder that people should be mindful of their ethical obligations to get informed consent and not cause harm to others with their experiments).

Re: Meta lays off 11,000 people

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Post by throwaw20221107 »

vthallam wrote: post #531
clavalle wrote: post #514

Considering the severance, Meta might have just realeased the biggest pre-seed funded class ever.

I work here and wasn't affected. But that's how I saw the severance. Anyone who doesn't have visa issues could literally pursue their ideas for the next 6 months.

>6 months

more like 6 years, unless you're a new grad with no savings, or unless you somehow managed to burn through your 200K/yr salary every year. Probably decades if you migrate to an LCOL.

Edit: oh, you meant 6 months on the severance alone. Yep

Re: Meta lays off 11,000 people

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Post by simsla »

hinkley wrote: post #578

I totally would have been part of this layoff if I’d responded to any of the many, many FB recruiters who have contacted me in the last 18 months. Why didn’t I reply? Several reasons, but importantly because if you can’t say anything nice sometimes it’s best not to say anything at all.

Same feeling.

I initially passed on the offer because I couldn't work remotely from my country of choice. They later contacted me when that'd changed, but I'd found another job by then that I was happy with. (Plus, the whole "do I want to work for them?" thing.)

Probably would've been let go, because less tenure + nonstandard working arrangement + mass firings is not a good combo.

Re: Meta lays off 11,000 people

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Post by P_I_Staker »

miiiiiike wrote: post #710
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #246

> I got this wrong, and I take responsibility for that. As always with these things, I wonder what taking responsibility actually means in practice. Businesses usually try to find ways to correct for major failures in decision making. In the case of Zuck, given his ownership, does anything actually happen or change? I'm sure his net worth has been reduced by changes to Meta's share price, but he was a multi-billionai…

> As always with these things, I wonder what taking responsibility actually means in practice. Remember a few years ago when people were asking "Why can't people just say they made a mistake and own up to it instead of shifting blame?" Now that people are taking responsibility for mistakes publicly the response is "Yes, but what does that mean?" Taking responsibility means just that. It means saying you fucked up and…

I've called this the public apology ritual. In the minds of the angry mob, the person is irredeemable and should suffer the worst fate (in our society that might entail being "canceled"... shunned).

They don't WANT to forgive them, or provide them with any redemption. Regardless of the apology, you will use it to push back further. Look for any hole in the apology to point to. If that fails, criticize the apology for being too late, or only to save face... in any case, make sure to proclaim that you're even more angry after the apology.

I'm not saying people should never apologize, but I get sick of this whole routine and all the acting. People will always just do what they want and it will just be based on a knee jerk sense of how much they like you.

Re: Meta lays off 11,000 people

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Post by tombert »

Fantastic. I just got laid off from my (non-Meta) job, and now I have to compete with thousands of other software engineers.

I suppose I knew that the cushy absurd-salary-days of software engineering had to come to a close at some point, but I guess I was just hoping it would happening after I retired.

Re: Meta lays off 11,000 people

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Post by lazyasciiart »

donretag wrote: post #777
alasdair_ wrote: post #670

I worked at Facebook when covid first hit. Zuckerburg treated everyone in the company very, very well. There was a blanket "don't worry about performance, take care of your families" guarantee that honestly was an enormous help. The thing that particularly struck me though was the way he handled contract workers like (some of) the kitchen staff, cleaners, etc. These people don't work for Facebook and he had zero obli…

I worked at Ticketmaster when covid first hit. Since the beginning, management has always been positive and re-iterating that the cash reserves are substantial and the company can endure the loss of revenue. Then the first layoff hit. Same re-iteration. We are good. Then came the second layoff.

Salesforce announced their largest profits ever the same week they announced their first layoffs ever, I believe. The company, as they said, was in great shape.

Re: Meta lays off 11,000 people

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Post by wahnfrieden »

rossjudson wrote: post #874
Leires wrote: post #690

I'm sorry, but honestly fuck Meta. Conducting psychological experiments on users without consent, and enabling psyops from organizations like Cambridge Analytica, is enough for me to never use their services. I hope they implode as a company. I happily said no when people from meta approached me on LinkedIn.

You seem very sure of what you know, and very confident about how the people working at Meta think and act. Do you have any direct experience? Or know anyone who works there?

Those are just facts that have been reported credibly. There’s worse they didn’t mention. Why are you being so reactionary?
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