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App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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So you don’t use native apps because they can track everything you do in the app so you use websites that can track everything you do on their site?

They said "...a browser with ublock origin.." uBlock Origin is a content blocker that would help prevent tracking.

But wouldn't they be able to infer what you clicked by the data loaded?

If you block that data, most webapps, especially things like an app store, will be useless.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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So you don’t use native apps because they can track everything you do in the app so you use websites that can track everything you do on their site?

Cutting the shit out of website is much easier compared to app. I am doing it by default.

What extension allows you to block “hover” tracking and not “click” tracking?

If the website is not using a third party site for tracking, you can’t block the owner from tracking and storing your interactions.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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It's interesting that the researchers assumed turning off the transmission of device analytics would also turn off the transmission of all app analytics, whether from Apple or third parties. I also wish they would've tried Lockdown Mode, at least.

Lockdown Mode has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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I bought an Apple device. Did not sign up to be anyone else’s payday. I want Apple to improve their devices. Don’t care if anyone else benefits from it. Really frustrating to live in a country that wants forced socialization if their is opportunity to make money off me, but otherwise I’m just a cost center. In no way does my use of an Apple device act as an open door for anyone else. I’m not interested in technology…

> In no way does my use of an Apple device act as an open door for anyone else. Sure, as long as your definition of "anyone else" excludes the NSA, FIVE EYES, China, anyone distributing Pegasus, Akamai and the rest of Apple's contractors.

Are you making a moral claim?

You see a handful of corrupt government agents. I see a world where billions do not kill thousands of government agents.

The public has made its choice. Some vain apes on HN who see deluded masses in need of rescue may in fact be the deluded fools.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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post #176

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That does not do what you think it does: that’s the button to disconnect from currently connected devices, not to turn off radios. Similarly, the airplane mode button above it will maintain Bluetooth.

I created a Shortcut for that, essentially a button on my homescreen I can press which actually disables bluetooth and wifi. And when my phone is connected to wifi, mobile data gets disabled. It's not perfect, but at least I don't have to open the settings app each time.

Why do you do that though?

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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I'm seeing a lot of comments saying things like "seems reasonable" and "of course", but I thought Apple was supposed to be for the privacy conscious? Why is HN not bothered by this?

My view on it, Apple is the least of all the evils. Even if they seem to be getting worse advertising wise

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Because it doesn't seem like I'm going to get a response to this, I'll walk down the rest of the logic for completeness's sake. I think we can both agree that "all unnecessary tracking is unethical" doesn't make sense and leads to insane conclusions like "all Nginx users with IP addresses in their logs are participating in unethical tracking". So we're back to square one, where someone needs to demonstrate this type…

The following is meant as constructive feedback, and I hope you will take it as such even if it happens you disagree: Your comments here consistently come across as highly adversarial: Assumptions and conclusions are liberally asserted, every sentence only attacks, there is no room for nuance, and attempts to find common ground are either mistaken for a new enemy assault or remain unrecognised entirely. This makes fo…

In this spirit, I have some constructive criticism for you. Comments like this (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33528012) are so vague I am forced to make assumptions about what you're trying to say.

You post an extremely vague comment, I try to muster a response by making some assumptions about what you're trying to say. You post something that I think is obviously wrong, but I ask for an explanation just in case I am wrong or misunderstanding you, and you post this:

> Perhaps you'll find this book interesting: Networking All-in-One For Dummies https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0921K9YTS

I'll admit my comments were somewhat aggressive, but up until this comment (which, for the record, has changed my mind on this) you seemed to be participating in blatant bad faith.

If you want people to understand the nuance in your position, you have to actually say it, not just provide a random link to the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Your original comment seemed to be genuinely making the claim that 'all forms of tracking are bad because they are a privacy violation'. Maybe that's not what you meant, but I have to make assumptions about what you're trying to say when you don't actually say it and leave me to interpret what your quote and link are meant to say.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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post #153

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The following is meant as constructive feedback, and I hope you will take it as such even if it happens you disagree: Your comments here consistently come across as highly adversarial: Assumptions and conclusions are liberally asserted, every sentence only attacks, there is no room for nuance, and attempts to find common ground are either mistaken for a new enemy assault or remain unrecognised entirely. This makes fo…

In this spirit, I have some constructive criticism for you. Comments like this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33528012 ) are so vague I am forced to make assumptions about what you're trying to say. You post an extremely vague comment, I try to muster a response by making some assumptions about what you're trying to say. You post something that I think is obviously wrong, but I ask for an explanation just in…

Also, for the record, I still disagree this type of tracking is unethical.

I'd love to hear the nuanced version of the argument why it's bad, maybe I'd be convinced.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Apple: Proof you can pay and still be the product. It's like someone breaking into your house and rummaging through your desk taking photos because that suits them and there is fine print. One day as a society having a networked cpu involved in someone doing something won't make nearly every lawmaker, lawyer, judge and customer have their brain fall out of their ear and they'll actually be able to think critically ab…

A much easier example: TV manufacturers. High end TVs cost a couple arms and a leg and the UI is still infested with trackers and ads.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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OP misconstrues an iOS tracking dialog to support their complaint: > The strange thing is that Apple introduced strict measures in iOS 14.5 to prevent developers from fingerprinting users. The dialog text in their screenshot reads: > Allow “App” to track your activity across other companies’ apps and sites? Users refusing this permission are not prohibiting tracking by the company that issued the dialog. They are pro…

Also Apple doesn’t have any incentive to ‘fingerprint’ App Store users because they are either logged in or using a unique identifier.

you can use an apple device without logging into icloud
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