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App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by dkdbejwi383 »

croes wrote: post #79
beders wrote: post #24

We use LogRocket to record all interactions with our front-ends and it's awesome for trouble shooting and also invaluable for our product managers. They can see where users are struggling with the app and where extra-guidance is necessary. I'm assuming many many many other apps and web pages are doing the same thing. Nothing to see here.

We use cameras to record all interactions with our cupboards and it's awesome for trouble shooting and also invaluable for our product managers. They can see where users are struggling with the furniture and where extra-guidance is necessary.

I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Screen tracking is essentially logging which UI elements users interact with and some metadata like the time, their device config, etc.

It doesn’t necessarily require capturing video of the user.

A better analogy would be hooking up a door open/closed sensor to the cupboard, and capacitive sensors that log the location of touches, so that you can analyse what % of users struggle to find the door handle.

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Post by jesterson »

scarface74 wrote: post #99
tyfon wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This attitude is why I hardly have any native apps on my phone and use a browser with ublock origin for it. You can see how valuable this tracking is by the amount of websites begging you to install their native apps. No thanks!

So you don’t use native apps because they can track everything you do in the app so you use websites that can track everything you do on their site?

Cutting the shit out of website is much easier compared to app. I am doing it by default.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by blowski »

altairprime wrote: post #27
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure they do. What if they switch accounts, usernames, phones, etc. More data is better.

This argument’s logical error is presenting unprovable beliefs as if they were facts. Apple may or may not care if users switch accounts. Only Apple confidential knowledge can prove or disprove this argument with certainty. In the absence of certainty, a best-faith effort must be made to determine whether their actions support or contradict these assertions. The claim “Sure they do” is unsupported both by available e…

Starting every comment with “this argument’s logical error is…” is nauseating and hinders good conversation. Your point would sound better without it.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by jeroenhd »

beders wrote: post #24

We use LogRocket to record all interactions with our front-ends and it's awesome for trouble shooting and also invaluable for our product managers. They can see where users are struggling with the app and where extra-guidance is necessary. I'm assuming many many many other apps and web pages are doing the same thing. Nothing to see here.

This is exactly why I distrust all the apps on my phone and desktop unless I've grabbed them from some reliable open source repository. The disgusting entitlement to stalk me at every step and use me as a lab rat is exactly what's wrong with modern software.

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Post by jesterson »

judge2020 wrote: post #45
Nullabillity wrote: post #29

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Tracking how users use your own app is hardly malicious, in fact it's entirely in an effort to identify user frustration and solve it or otherwise improve the product. Tracking across different apps is definitely malicious, though.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

s3p wrote: post #69
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #21

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Sure they do. What if they switch accounts, usernames, phones, etc. More data is better.

What? If they switch devices and accounts, it doesn't matter WHAT is being "fingerprinted'... there's no way a unique identifier will persist across that type of change. Points for the theory though.

The context here is "fingerprinting" you based on what your fingers do.

So that will persist across devices and accounts.

And before you say that's crazy, location information can mean they only need to distinguish a handful of people at a time.

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

altairprime wrote: post #10

OP misconstrues an iOS tracking dialog to support their complaint: > The strange thing is that Apple introduced strict measures in iOS 14.5 to prevent developers from fingerprinting users. The dialog text in their screenshot reads: > Allow “App” to track your activity across other companies’ apps and sites? Users refusing this permission are not prohibiting tracking by the company that issued the dialog. They are pro…

> I have no viewpoint to offer on OP’s argument.

This doesn't look like tracking or fingerprinting at all to me - they're logging user interaction (that many apps and websites have done for decades).

Even if they didn't do this just about every click you make in the App Store results in a query to their backend for more information, presumably with the account id (so family, regional, parental control works).

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by roguesherlock »

jeroenhd wrote: post #114
beders wrote: post #24

We use LogRocket to record all interactions with our front-ends and it's awesome for trouble shooting and also invaluable for our product managers. They can see where users are struggling with the app and where extra-guidance is necessary. I'm assuming many many many other apps and web pages are doing the same thing. Nothing to see here.

This is exactly why I distrust all the apps on my phone and desktop unless I've grabbed them from some reliable open source repository. The disgusting entitlement to stalk me at every step and use me as a lab rat is exactly what's wrong with modern software.

Tbh I don’t see it as a huge problem as long as a. The data is anonymous, and b. they aren’t trying to sell the data.

I mean if you choose to use someone’s service, you’d want it to get better. And one of the reasons they get better is by collecting feedback of what’s working, what isn’t.

It’s very hard to nail down a good ux without feedback.

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