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Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Can you name off the top of your head 5 great inventions that weren't immediately realized?

Notably, the internet was widely thought to be a fad for the first ~20 years.

I suppose it depends on how you're defining the first year of the internet, but I don't remember many people thinking it was a fad. I'd say it's the one invention in my life that has actually lived up to the hype.

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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> whatever smidge of trust Turns out the "trustless" in crypto means "you can't trust anyone".

Let's avoid generic flamewar tangents please, regardless of which side one's on.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33522825.

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Some more background: the companies were engaged in fighting over regulations, and on a personal basis between the 2 CEOs. It went down to really childish levels at some point. But one thing is undeniable: SBF (FTX CEO) was trying to weaponize US regulation against his biggest rival CZ (Binance CEO). CZ retaliated by selling the FTT token, exposed the fact FTX was over-leveraged, and took over. This is, as the kids o…

> It went down to really childish levels at some point. Childish bullshit in the cryptocurrency market?!??! I am absolutely shocked and surprised, such a thing is completely unprecedented...

No flamewar please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Binance was threatening to dump a huge amount of FTT tokens on the market. FTX has a big+vulnerable position in FTT. FTX asked Binance to sell them the tokens for a fixed price, so as not to crash the FTT token price. Binance declined - this was yesterday/today. Of course the price of FTT crashed today. And now Binance buys FTX to help them out... smells like Binance played 4D chess all along. https://decrypt.co/1136…

> Binance was threatening to dump a huge amount of FTT tokens on the market. FTX has a big+vulnerable position in FTT. FTX asked Binance to sell them the tokens for a fixed price, so as not to crash the FTT token price. Binance declined This makes absolutely no sense and is not how markets work. If FTX was actually willing to buy unlimited FTT at a given price, Binance could not have "crashed the price" by selling be…

Alternatively FTX was confident they could make the purchase given time, but did not have the funds on hand.

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Can you name off the top of your head 5 great inventions that weren't immediately realized?

I’m not saying whatever that is is a great invention but Alternating current… Computers… Smartphones… The internet…

I think you are mistaking 'waiting for technology/infrastructure to mature enough to make them accessible to everyone' with 'technology that people don't know how to do something useful with'.

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Can you name off the top of your head 5 great inventions that weren't immediately realized?

Notably, the internet was widely thought to be a fad for the first ~20 years.

Notably, according to crypto evangelists. No one thought the internet was a fad. It had a time when it was novel and therefore people who didn't know how to use it would make fun of it, but absolutely no one who used it thought it was a 'fad'. As soon as the first web browser became accessible to consumers the dot com era exploded. There is a difference between 'didn't hit mass adoption due to massive infrastructure needing to be built in real time' and 'we don't know what this is useful for'.

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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> Binance was threatening to dump a huge amount of FTT tokens on the market. FTX has a big+vulnerable position in FTT. FTX asked Binance to sell them the tokens for a fixed price, so as not to crash the FTT token price. Binance declined This makes absolutely no sense and is not how markets work. If FTX was actually willing to buy unlimited FTT at a given price, Binance could not have "crashed the price" by selling be…

Alternatively FTX was confident they could make the purchase given time, but did not have the funds on hand.

Moreover, you are assuming no one else decides to sell based… one could argue publicizing their plans was meant to encourage just that…

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Binance was threatening to dump a huge amount of FTT tokens on the market. FTX has a big+vulnerable position in FTT. FTX asked Binance to sell them the tokens for a fixed price, so as not to crash the FTT token price. Binance declined - this was yesterday/today. Of course the price of FTT crashed today. And now Binance buys FTX to help them out... smells like Binance played 4D chess all along. https://decrypt.co/1136…

FTX should never been in this position. They are an exchange . Nobody should be able to obliterate them by playing around with their crypto.

They are an exchange that allows future trading and margin trading which require borrowing money/assets/coins. The FTT tokens were probably put up as collateral for loans. The drop of the FTT value probably triggers calls on those loans. Thus the liquidity crisis.

Re: Binance to acquire FTX

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Why not both? Centralized where people trust, decentralized where people don't trust. In my interpretation, the Bitcoin white paper states that BTC is an answer to _the lack of regulation_ that allowed the fat cats to abuse the money supplies. It's kind of ironic, but to see crypto as purely anarchistic is to ignore that it is essentially _democratized_ money. Both: I use exchanges as well as cold storage.

I never understood. Where's the democracy here, exactly? A regular user cannot afford to participate in the decision making of the system in any meaningful way. In fact, today, most users don't even directly use it, instead relying on processors such as Coinbase. The "not your keys, not your coins" meme exists due to this. The original paper described a democratic system where people voted with their processors, but…

> I find it hard to argue that the system as it currently exists is more democratic than the currency emitted by the central bank of your country.

Significantly less, as the central bank is usually at least accountable to the democratically elected government of the country.

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Buying MDMA safely. This isn't a joke. Drug prohibition causes harm, crypto provides a much safer way to obtain psychedelics. If all your purchases are safe for the state to be aware of, good for you.

It seems insane to me people would buy/sell drugs in a prohibition nation on a public ledger.

For whatever it's worth, the federal authorities have very little budget/mandate to prosecute darknet drug distribution offenses. They go after the darknet markets themselves, money laundering / sanctions avoidance and maybe firearms.

Meanwhile the local authorities don't know what most of those words mean.

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