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Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally, most of the most-at-risk population has lived through the AIDS horror. A good gay friend of mine roughly summarized it as "we gays know how bad diseases can get, and fuck it my dating life even after 2 years of pandemic is not as important as is my life". Once it was clear that MSM were (once again) a high-risk group, they all went back to either reducing contacts or at least wearing condoms. In contras…

I started wearing a mask pretty early on. The first one was a fabric one my mother in law made as it was still at a time when PPE for healthcare workers was a bigger priority. I kept wearing a mask until the overwhelming majority of people around me had long given up. I believed it was the right thing to do regardless but I'm not sure I'm as optimistic as you regarding their effectiveness.

I've been wearing masks from early on and only recently stopped wearing them regularly. Now I only wear them when in a crowded situation. I feel how masks were handled was completely botched in many ways. There is the politicization and communication errors. However, I also remain somewhat shocked how we never made any effort to address the biggest, obvious issues with masks to make them more effective.

I saw so many studies that showed that a properly fitted mask makes a massive difference in how protective it is compared to other mask types. Where can I get a mask fitted? Never even saw anything about fitting masks other than "it makes a huge difference and we do this for nurses".

Clearly much of the air goes around the mask. Sure a little metal piece at the bridge of the nose makes this a little better, but why did nobody seem to work on a proper solution for this? How about a mask with a rubber seal that goes around it?

This kind of stuff could have saved thousands of lives, yet we seem to not even have tried.

I think the fatality of COVID was just right to create a societal mess. Fatal enough to kill tons of people. But not fatal enough to get everyone on the same page that some sacrifices need to be made to rein it in. At the same time some people also had practically no symptoms, creating more opportunity for disagreement.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally, most of the most-at-risk population has lived through the AIDS horror. A good gay friend of mine roughly summarized it as "we gays know how bad diseases can get, and fuck it my dating life even after 2 years of pandemic is not as important as is my life". Once it was clear that MSM were (once again) a high-risk group, they all went back to either reducing contacts or at least wearing condoms. In contras…

People are strange... good handwashing standards are likely as important as masks for preventing Covid transmission, but that never got politicized or became controversial for some reason. Also, wearing non-N95 masks appears to be most effective as a means of preventing aerosolized droplets from infected people from spreading to others in public situations. The full PPE system is more for protecting nurses and doctor…

> People are strange... good handwashing standards are likely as important as masks for preventing Covid transmission, but that never got politicized or became controversial for some reason.

It's obvious isn't it? Handwashing isn't a badge you can wear. Meet somebody in public and you'll know if they're wearing a mask or not, but you won't know if they've washed their hands recently.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

#43

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Why is parent getting downvoted? The lab leak theory is pretty mainstream these days. And gain of function research is 1: real 2: fucking insane and 3: a plausible way we would have a true captain trips style pandemic.

It's really not mainstream amongst virologists.. as has been demonstrated by repeatedly debunking the latest gish gallop papers, there's literally zero evidence for lab manipulation of the sars cov2 virus. It's vaguely plausible that the virus could have been captured in the wild and then leaked, but even that seems extremely unlikely given the two separate market lineages and timeline of the earliest cases. Stricter…

I think there is a lot more controversy than you’re implying, even among serious scientists, but an HN comment thread is probably not the right place to litigate a complex issue that is also a partisan political football.

I’ll leave it at this: I would encourage everyone to do their own research on this and try to look past the elephant in the room of the politics angle.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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post #26

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I mean it could evolve to be airborne in the wild or in a research lab doing intentional gain of function research (a practice for which funding was temporarily halted by Obama) and hybridization much like has been done at BSL-4 facilities worldwide unchecked including by EcoHealth alliance with bat coronaviruses via US funding at the WIV prior to the Covid outbreak in Wuhan. https://www.science.org/content/article/n…

Ebolavirus and coronavirus are very, very different. There is little in the way of comparison, transmissibility being only one of many differences.

He didn't say that ebolavirus is similar to coronavirus. He said that Nurgle worshiping virologists are probably hard at work trying to 'enhance' ebola to be more transmissible, which is probably true.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

#46
Comprehensive accessible review here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4495366/

The virus apparently just wrecks the immune system right off the bat, allowing it to rampage throughout the body unchecked. Hence immune-system-support therapies are being worked on:

> "EBOV is able to evade innate and adaptive (both humoral and cellular) responses by encoding for multiple viral proteins that inhibit both type-I IFNs synthesis and response, by masking viral epitopes by glycosylation processes, by deregulating inflammatory response, by preventing DC maturation, thus resulting in a catastrophic failure of innate and adaptive immunity. Thus host factors have a key role for viral replication and release, and may represent good targets for therapeutic strategies."

The for-profit pharmaceutical system isn't that interested in this, as not many people or governments in Africa have the funds to pay for research, production, and what is it now, a guaranteed 15%+ profit margin?

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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post #6

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It was handled well by global public health authorities, with education campaigns, targeted vaccinations, early warning, treatment, and growing immunity in the most at-risk populations.

Additionally, most of the most-at-risk population has lived through the AIDS horror. A good gay friend of mine roughly summarized it as "we gays know how bad diseases can get, and fuck it my dating life even after 2 years of pandemic is not as important as is my life". Once it was clear that MSM were (once again) a high-risk group, they all went back to either reducing contacts or at least wearing condoms. In contras…

> we gays know how bad diseases can get, and fuck it my dating life even after 2 years of pandemic is not as important as is my life

That's a nice sentiment I guess. Meanwhile my gay friend didn't stop "socialization" during the pandemic except first few early months. According to him he must've had COVID at least 4 times by now. If you add natural immunity, vaccine and asymptotic transmission he was getting exposed to COVID pretty much all the time.

This is nothing against gay community. This is against idolozation of certain communities and demonization of certain other communities to fit certain political narrative. Reality is more complex and nuance.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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The outbreak in Uganda is troubling, but a forecast that goes out 6+ months is silly. No professional infectious disease modeler will forecast out more than a few weeks because the trajectory of the outbreak changes in response to interventions and behaviors.

>a forecast that goes out 6+ months is silly. Sure is, which is why it's odd we've been bombarded with endless graphs with months of predictions, over the past 2.5 years.

Doesn't seem odd for news outlets, unfortunately.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

#49

The outbreak in Uganda is troubling, but a forecast that goes out 6+ months is silly. No professional infectious disease modeler will forecast out more than a few weeks because the trajectory of the outbreak changes in response to interventions and behaviors.

That sounds... wrong? What if the 6+ month forecast assuming no interventions is useful to compel an intervention, and the 2-3 week one is not?

If “useful to compel” is a criteria, we can jump straight to flat-out lying and dispose with the statistics part.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it could evolve to be airborne in the wild or in a research lab doing intentional gain of function research (a practice for which funding was temporarily halted by Obama) and hybridization much like has been done at BSL-4 facilities worldwide unchecked including by EcoHealth alliance with bat coronaviruses via US funding at the WIV prior to the Covid outbreak in Wuhan. https://www.science.org/content/article/n…

Why is parent getting downvoted? The lab leak theory is pretty mainstream these days. And gain of function research is 1: real 2: fucking insane and 3: a plausible way we would have a true captain trips style pandemic.

Gain function is only way to research pathogens.
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