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Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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This title made me wonder, what ever happened to monkey pox. Turns out that it has more or less died away.

Except it didn't, it fell off the news cycle before the peak in August and people just stopped talking about it. New cases are still happening: https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/response/2022/index.h...

Community spread is now minimal and decreasing. 7D moving average for US cases was over 400 in August and now it's 29. https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/response/2022/mpx-tre...

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Additionally, most of the most-at-risk population has lived through the AIDS horror. A good gay friend of mine roughly summarized it as "we gays know how bad diseases can get, and fuck it my dating life even after 2 years of pandemic is not as important as is my life". Once it was clear that MSM were (once again) a high-risk group, they all went back to either reducing contacts or at least wearing condoms. In contras…

I started wearing a mask pretty early on. The first one was a fabric one my mother in law made as it was still at a time when PPE for healthcare workers was a bigger priority. I kept wearing a mask until the overwhelming majority of people around me had long given up. I believed it was the right thing to do regardless but I'm not sure I'm as optimistic as you regarding their effectiveness.

Think back to early 2020. A lot of the serious deaths/damage were not due to covid per se, but due to (1) covid being so novel we didn't know how to treat it very well, eg using ventilators in cases that could have just used O2 tanks (2) covid spreading so fast that it was effectively a denial of service attack against the local hospitals.

Both of these factors were improvable even by small measures that don't prevent infection but just reduce the severity or probability, slowing down ("flattening the curve") the pandemic and postponing more of the cases till later when there was more capacity as well as better treatment knowledge.

As someone who suffered a lot in 2021 due to an illness that was totally unrelated to covid, but that was only so bad because of insufficient medical care available due to the pandemic (literally, some simple better care and tests earlier on would have definitely caught and resolved it, but getting care during the pandemic was a shitshow), I take this aspect quite seriously. I think covid was best understood as a crisis for the medical system than for individuals (relatively speaking)

EDIT: fwiw I'm not even disagreeing with you on anything (yes, on HN, I know), just riffing :)

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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The headline is scary but #1 Ebola isn't airborne and #2 it's super deadly which means it kills before it really has a chance to spread widely.

I mean it could evolve to be airborne in the wild or in a research lab doing intentional gain of function research (a practice for which funding was temporarily halted by Obama) and hybridization much like has been done at BSL-4 facilities worldwide unchecked including by EcoHealth alliance with bat coronaviruses via US funding at the WIV prior to the Covid outbreak in Wuhan. https://www.science.org/content/article/n…

I think more plausible is sexual transmission https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6111642/

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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The outbreak in Uganda is troubling, but a forecast that goes out 6+ months is silly. No professional infectious disease modeler will forecast out more than a few weeks because the trajectory of the outbreak changes in response to interventions and behaviors.

That sounds... wrong? What if the 6+ month forecast assuming no interventions is useful to compel an intervention, and the 2-3 week one is not?

Then it's a scenario model, which asks what-if questions usually for planning purposes (e.g., what's the most hospital beds we might need?). Scenario models can have longer time horizons than forecasts, but 6 months is still quite long.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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post #6

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It was handled well by global public health authorities, with education campaigns, targeted vaccinations, early warning, treatment, and growing immunity in the most at-risk populations.

Additionally, most of the most-at-risk population has lived through the AIDS horror. A good gay friend of mine roughly summarized it as "we gays know how bad diseases can get, and fuck it my dating life even after 2 years of pandemic is not as important as is my life". Once it was clear that MSM were (once again) a high-risk group, they all went back to either reducing contacts or at least wearing condoms. In contras…

People are strange... good handwashing standards are likely as important as masks for preventing Covid transmission, but that never got politicized or became controversial for some reason. Also, wearing non-N95 masks appears to be most effective as a means of preventing aerosolized droplets from infected people from spreading to others in public situations. The full PPE system is more for protecting nurses and doctors working with severely ill patients from getting infected.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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This title made me wonder, what ever happened to monkey pox. Turns out that it has more or less died away.

Monkeypox was always a money grab perpetuated by fear mongering media conglomerates. Those companies found some other "boogeyman" to chew on for the time being. And I'm not denying Monkeypox was real, it was just completely overblown and being used to scare people into clicking on spooky headlines.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it could evolve to be airborne in the wild or in a research lab doing intentional gain of function research (a practice for which funding was temporarily halted by Obama) and hybridization much like has been done at BSL-4 facilities worldwide unchecked including by EcoHealth alliance with bat coronaviruses via US funding at the WIV prior to the Covid outbreak in Wuhan. https://www.science.org/content/article/n…

Why is parent getting downvoted? The lab leak theory is pretty mainstream these days. And gain of function research is 1: real 2: fucking insane and 3: a plausible way we would have a true captain trips style pandemic.

It's really not mainstream amongst virologists.. as has been demonstrated by repeatedly debunking the latest gish gallop papers, there's literally zero evidence for lab manipulation of the sars cov2 virus. It's vaguely plausible that the virus could have been captured in the wild and then leaked, but even that seems extremely unlikely given the two separate market lineages and timeline of the earliest cases.

Stricter control of GoF makes a lot of sense but the reason everyone was studying coronavirus pandemics in the first place is because we'd had several near misses and everyone in the virology community knew it was only a matter of time before the right circumstances allowed a spillover to do exactly what Covid19 did.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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The outbreak in Uganda is troubling, but a forecast that goes out 6+ months is silly. No professional infectious disease modeler will forecast out more than a few weeks because the trajectory of the outbreak changes in response to interventions and behaviors.

>a forecast that goes out 6+ months is silly.

Sure is, which is why it's odd we've been bombarded with endless graphs with months of predictions, over the past 2.5 years.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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post #24

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I’m glad the community was able to find a solution, and luckily monkey pox was not inherently deadly, but they did not comply with some efforts to mitigate the disease, particularly contact tracing https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/S-F-all-but-give...

Contact tracing in the Covid context has worked horribly everywhere in the US, as far as I know, outside of more or less defined communities where penalties could attach. And even there is mostly failed when they didn't. Did I miss an instance where it worked well enough to be worth the effort? Add in the fact that the gay community has reasons to be less than thrilled with medical disclosure of this sort and I'm not…

The CDC is still recommending contact tracing (for Covid), so I imagine they have data to back up its employment.

Re: Leaked documents: Ugandan government expects explosion in Ebola cases

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m glad the community was able to find a solution, and luckily monkey pox was not inherently deadly, but they did not comply with some efforts to mitigate the disease, particularly contact tracing https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/S-F-all-but-give...

Contact tracing in the Covid context has worked horribly everywhere in the US, as far as I know, outside of more or less defined communities where penalties could attach. And even there is mostly failed when they didn't. Did I miss an instance where it worked well enough to be worth the effort? Add in the fact that the gay community has reasons to be less than thrilled with medical disclosure of this sort and I'm not…

> Contact tracing in the Covid context has worked horribly everywhere in the US

Well yeah, it’s hard to recall the dozens or hundreds of people you may have interacted with over the course of days or weeks. It is however much easier to contract trace sexual partners, unless of course you’re engaging in repeated anonymous sexual encounters...

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