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Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by agubelu » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:01 AM UTC

squokko wrote: post #41

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. You and almost the whole world. There are still some people left believing him to play some kind of genius 4D chess. Same thing happens for Trump and Ye.

But the clear difference is that Musk is very clearly an extremely high IQ guy. Trump and Ye have incredible skills in their domain but Musk has really high general intelligence, but is clearly fucking this up beyond anyone's expectations.

I don't know if that is the case, but if it is, it's a perfect example of the difference between intelligence and wisdom.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by TheOtherHobbes » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:01 AM UTC

squokko wrote: post #41

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. You and almost the whole world. There are still some people left believing him to play some kind of genius 4D chess. Same thing happens for Trump and Ye.

But the clear difference is that Musk is very clearly an extremely high IQ guy. Trump and Ye have incredible skills in their domain but Musk has really high general intelligence, but is clearly fucking this up beyond anyone's expectations.

IQ is about processing speed, not processing quality. If you're operating outside of your competence with limited awareness and inaccurate contextual assumptions you can be super-smart and still make incredibly stupid decisions.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by highwaylights » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:01 AM UTC

mkl95 wrote: post #13

Sounds like they want to lay them off with three weeks notice or whatever the law mandates in that area to prevent legal action. Personally I would accept the offer and do the bare minimum while I look for a new job.

I don’t see why anyone would take that deal for a few weeks income, given how much it seems to matter to the company that just laid them off.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by conradfr » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:01 AM UTC

uri4 wrote: post #38

fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

> it's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off I beg to differ. People who are crucial to operation will be much better off. Less meetings, less bloat, less bs, probably better salary. I do consulting. Recession is good for business, companies lay off team of 10 developers and replace it with single remote consultant for 40% of cost. Also less taxes, since I work in dif…

I would not want to work on a codebase when it's rumored that total lines of code is a metric to fire people.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by unsupp0rted » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:03 AM UTC

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

> I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. You and almost the whole world. There are still some people left believing him to play some kind of genius 4D chess. Same thing happens for Trump and Ye.

It’s not necessarily 4D chess so much as “he doesn’t care at all about that which I think is important”.

I think it’s important not to piss off your existing and upcoming workforce. He doesn’t.

Is he obviously wrong? Time will tell.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by pg314 » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:04 AM UTC

Sakos wrote: post #20

LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, it's so bizarre seeing him fumble Twitter so badly. Has something changed about him or has he always been this way and the space industry was just less conducive to drawing out his batshit crazy?

>From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider,

He is not running SpaceX, Gwynne Shotwell is. He’s just the part-time CEO, very adept at self-promoting.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by kibwen » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:04 AM UTC

Sakos wrote: post #20

LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, it's so bizarre seeing him fumble Twitter so badly. Has something changed about him or has he always been this way and the space industry was just less conducive to drawing out his batshit crazy?

Why are we giving Musk credit for these things? We don't give Jobs credit for the original technical success of Apple; that goes to Woz. Somewhere behind the scenes at SpaceX there's one or more people analogous to Woz who get all the actual work done. Musk's entire contribution is just to shitpost and posture for the techbros. He's not a technologist, he's not a programmer, he's not an engineer, he's not a physicist, he's not a rocket scientist, he's just a blowhard with a cult following.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by otikik » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:07 AM UTC

squokko wrote: post #41

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. You and almost the whole world. There are still some people left believing him to play some kind of genius 4D chess. Same thing happens for Trump and Ye.

But the clear difference is that Musk is very clearly an extremely high IQ guy. Trump and Ye have incredible skills in their domain but Musk has really high general intelligence, but is clearly fucking this up beyond anyone's expectations.

Efficiency vs effectiveness. Different kinds of intelligence.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by prox » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:07 AM UTC

Melting_Harps wrote: post #12

> Many employees learned they lost their job after their access to company-wide systems, like email and Slack, were suddenly suspended. The requests for employees to return demonstrate how rushed and chaotic the process was. This is par for Musk corps, literally the day after my interview at Fremont they laid off 9% of total staff in 2018 [0] because of how poorly Model 3 launch had fared in the beginning. I can't go…

Lots of social media seems to be a global shouting match, rather than thoughtful discussion. For instance you have first hand experience with Tesla, which is valuable. Many comments are posted after not even reading beyond a headline.

It’s like standing on a crowded square and everyone just shouts out whatever they think.

Unfortunately running ads and thoughtful, curious, spacious and timely discussion (and listening!) do not go well. Too often algorithms where (are?) tweaked for drama engagement.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by garbagetime » Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 9:07 AM UTC

simonh wrote: post #53

garbagetime wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How has he mismanaged it?

Firstly by signing a contract, changing his mind and then being forced to fulfil the contract by a court. By alienating a lot of prominent Tweeters and advertisers. Now by sacking a load of people it turns out he needs.

How many prominent users have left the platform?

What will advertising revenue look like going forward?

How many employees have been asked to return, how needed are they, and was it mismanagement or just an expected outcome of necessary, decisive decision making?